A cargo ship that was struck by a Houthi ballistic missile on Monday has created an 18-mile long oil slick in the Red Sea as it continues to take on water, two US officials said Friday.
The M/V Rubymar — a Belize-flagged, UK-registered, Lebanese-owned vessel — was carrying 41,000 tons of fertilizer when it was struck on Monday by one of two ballistic missiles fired from Houthi territory in Yemen.
US Central Command said the ship is currently anchored as it takes on water. “The Houthis continue to demonstrate disregard for the regional impact of their indiscriminate attacks, threatening the fishing industry, coastal communities, and imports of food supplies,” US Central Command said.
This is especially annoying because 6 months ago there was an amazing collaboration between both sides in the Red Sea to enable an international team to remove oil from a wrecked tanker.
All the people involved thought it was a great framework for more peaceful negotiations.
But now Israel has got its genocide on the Houthis are kicking off and saving the environment is no longer anyone’s priority.
Israel is guilty for what it’s doing, but blaming Israel for these Houthi attacks is ridiculous.
The Houthis are self serving in these attacks. As they have claimed land, support has turned against them because it turns out they suck at providing services to the people that live in areas they control. So they are falling back to the one popular policy they have: supporting Palestinians, and fighting back against “imperialists.”
Except attacking ships in the Red Sea is doing nothing for the Palestinians. Maybe if they only targeted Israeli vessels of ships heading to/from there, but they are not. Even getting bombed has an upside as it reinforces their underdog anti-imperialist messaging.
@derf82 I’m not “blaming Israel” for decisions taken by the Houthis. I don’t really get why you’d take that from my comment.
Israelis made their own decisions.
Houthis proceeded to make their own decisions about how to respond to that too. I have no doubt that they are pursuing an agenda.
And the ecology of the Red Sea is no longer a priority for most people in the region because everyone has to make decisions based on what’s happening.
they have claimed land,
fighting back against “imperialists.”
Hey, I think I know how they can do that basically for free!
All your talking points were debunked more than a month ago in this short interview.
“To those who claim that we do it for our popularity, let them come forth and enhance their own popularity”
Ahhh the houthis said it wasn’t true, well glad that’s resolved then 👍
Man on side of Genocide says people against Genocide bad.
More news at 11.
I’m not saying you should uncritically accept the statement of whoever you’re referring to (presumably biden)
But that is equally true for the houthis as well
The Houthi’s stopped attacking civilian ships during the temporary ceasefire in November.
Biden says he wants israel to stop committing war-crimes and then bypasses congress to send israel more tank shells and mortar explosives which are primarily used to blow up houses in Gaza…
Actions mean everything. Words mean nothing. Biden wants to commit Genocide and the Houthi’s want to stop Genocide.
But the houthis continue to attack civilian vessels again.
One can both oppose the US’ (horrifying) support of Israel’s genocide, and also criticise the indiscriminate targeting of civilian vessels by the houthis.
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The old white man’s burden concept seems to have made a comeback.
You consider non-white people to be not responsible for their actions because you consider them to be savages that will naturally cause chaos unless under the guidance of the white man. If they are causing chaos it’s somehow the white man’s fault for not guiding them appropriately.
Personally I think the Houthis are responsible for their actions. Same with Hamas. Same with all the other psychopaths in the region. If you’re going to blame anyone besides these groups for their actions, then maybe consider Iran first.
>You consider non-white people to be not responsible for their actions because you consider them to be savages that will naturally cause chaos unless under the guidance of the white man. If they are causing chaos it’s somehow the white man’s fault for not guiding them appropriately.
they didn’t say any of this, but you did
@bigMouthCommie I sort of thought they just replied to the wrong comment.
Who even are the “white people” they are referring to?
>Who even are the “white people” they are referring to?
ghosts, i think.
Woooo0Oo
Seriously though I finally managed to find a comment where they lay out their thought process.
Never having been to the US myself, I had no idea conservative Americans (or all Americans?) see Middle Easterners who live in Israel as “white”.
But this is the thought pattern is it not?
It’s not “hey these Houthi guys seem to be bad dudes.” It’s all about finding a way to blame others for the actions of this group.
And when you consider it on a broader front this inability to criticize various groups and governments in the middle east doesn’t result in any improvements happening. The middle east is dominated by authoritarian psychopaths because there’s a refusal to put the spotlight on them. Because these psychopaths continuously get away with horrific acts because of white man’s burden style logic, there can’t be any real change.
If the Houthis were criticized more for torturing people, maybe pressure can be put onto Iran to stop supplying weapons to them. If we considered Mister Bonesaw a little more responsible for his actions, maybe the horrific acts committed against the Houthis may not have happened.
Sure we should criticize the US and Israel, but laying all blame on the perceived “white men” of the middle east has resulted in stagnant authoritarian power structures in the middle east. Well other than Israel of course, which will very likely dump Netanyahu in the next election, because they actually have those in Israel.
The unhealthy fixation on the US and Israel (which the Houthis call for the deaths of both on their flag) means psychopaths like the Houthis maintain power. That same fixation that’s promoted on this site.
sounds to me like you’ve alreday decided you know what others think, so there isn’t really any point in this discussion.
Kinda have to because you’re not telling me how you think. The Palestinian movement is just memes and slogans meant to justify their violent fervor and there isn’t a lot of rational thought going on.
You can’t even refute that there’s a “white man’s burden” kind of thinking behind a lot of the memes in slogans, because that would mean thinking in terms of people in the middle east being responsible for their own actions, which opens up a can of worms you want to keep closed.
At least I can only assume, because you aren’t able to write out your thoughts.
i don’t think any conversation here is worth my time. that doesn’t impugn my ability refute you.
LOL ok
@SpaceCowboy Aaaaah the penny finally dropped. I’ve been really perplexed by your reply to me.
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I see the actions of the Houthis as something they do under their own agency
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my focus was on Red Sea ecology and the amazing collaboration last year (which really was fantastic) I’m not going to rabbit on about various human rights abuses by many of the participants, I’d be there all day and it’s not the focus of my comment.
criticize the US and Israel, but laying all blame on the perceived “white men” of the middle east
TIL you guys even think that way!!! Wow. In my country we do demographics by ethnicity. “Race” is quite a weird construct. I never realised the US has decided that one but it seems rather arbitrary.
The part where you think I’m somehow criticizing the US is drawing a really long bow. I can kind of see how you might have projected the rest of what you thought onto my comment, but this is a bridge too far.
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old white man’s burden
I think you might have replied to the wrong comment?
If not, I don’t understand how any of this applies. I suggest you read my link about the collaborative efforts in the Red Sea last year.
You’re right dude. Once Americans are the real victims of the war crimes they commit in the middle east.
And Genocide Joe is the victimest victim of them all
Keep repeating your slogans, doesn’t change the fact that Hamas deliberately murdered women and children on October 7, and the Houthis publicly crucify people.
It’s obvious to anyone outside the bubble you live in how horrific the psychopaths you support really are.
The Palestinians are the biggest victims of Hamas for sure, but the continued support of Hamas indicates you don’t actually care about Palestinians. You just want to hate Israelis.
You know who deliberately murders children? Genocide Joe.
“GeNoCiDe JoE” is the new Let’s Go Brandon from the same alt-right trolls. I never see you fools criticizing Trump when he literally states he will be a dictator. Know what will happen in the Middle East? Same as now, except American arms and troops will directly be involved.
Please pay attention this time, it’s getting old: Holding Democrats accountable for their support of genocide is not the same as supporting Republicans.
Agreed, but there are plenty people posting that they can’t vote for Biden because of the situation in Gaza. I get the criticism, and I wish we had a more progressive Democrat candidate, but given the reality of our options, not voting for Biden is akin to supporting Trump. In no reality would a Trump presidency be better for Palestinians, or frankly Americans, the West, etc.
No, not voting for Biden is not voting for Biden. I’m sure Biden is counting on your argument to get elected, but it’s not going to work. You can’t guilt the left into voting for a genocide supporter. If Biden loses, that’s on Biden and the Democrats. He and the DNC know what they can do if they want votes from anyone left of center.
Ok, but back in reality with the voting system in the US, that is exactly what happens. If you can’t comprehend how much worse Trump will be, that’s on you. The national election between Trump and Biden (which is who the candidates will be), not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. Use whatever logic you’d like, but that is what the actual effect is.
The fact that you don’t have a more progressive Democrat candidate is the DNC’s fault. You can blame the Democrats for that.
Stop blaming voters for not wanting to vote for Genocide. If Trump wins it’s going to be on the DNC, just like how they screwed over Bernie in 2016 and then Hillary lost to Trump.
Sure, a Trump win is in the DNC and not the “burn it to the ground” people that are all over the place here on Lemmie, or naive fools. Just remember to keep blaming the DNC when Trump wins and takes away all your rights. That’ll show them.
Please note it is not so much Israel as Nyet N’ Yahoo. This is the work of a desperate criminal trying to remain in power.
And then 72 percent of Israelis say aid shouldn’t be allowed in until prisoners are released.
I’m sorry. But starving people en masse is not it. It’s time to treat Israel the same way we treated Germany. Disarm, occupy, hang the war criminals, and force a government representative of everyone from the river to the sea. And yes that means an end to their ethnostate. That’s the point. They’ve fucked around. It’s time for the find out.
72% of the people they asked. Lots of Israelis are not happy with this war.
Yeah. It looks like around 28 percent. Unfortunately that’s not enough. When 2/3rds of a country believes in Genocide the world needs to intervene.
This has been going on for 75 years. The problem is not Netanyahu. The problem is Zionism.
Lot of Americans don’t like trump.
Lot of people like Coors.
Hit em with the old “proportional response” CENTCOM
The Houthis have been ridiculous about their justifications for attacks, but where was this ship headed? It doesn’t say in the article.
Doesn’t matter. It’s civil disobedience with missiles. The point is less to destroy an enemy, and more to cause enough fuss that the various Western powers - almost all of whom are supporting the genocide in Palestine - change their behavior under the pressure.
Civil disobedience doesn’t include violence. Much less military power.
It’s literally in the name - “civil”! Do words not mean anything to these bots?
It isn’t civil disobedience because it’s trying to influence international politics. Civil disobedience isn’t always non-violent though. In fact I’d argue it requires a certain amount of violence, usually because it’s met with violence. Non-violent protest has never made a change happen on its own. It always at least requires a threat of violence.
It’s an act of war. The Houthis are not a rogue operation; they are part of a much larger global march to war. Any view other than this is the opening 2 years of a new global conflict is incomplete.
I was just commenting on why it isn’t civil disobedience, because the other comment was wrong in why. Civil disobedience doesn’t necessarily mean non-violent, but it does mean internal to your country. It’s the same root as civics. It isn’t from the meaning of civil meaning polite, just like a civil war isn’t polite.
We are quite certainly in the beginning-ish of WW3.
I call them the Poopy… Poopies. The Poopies.
Infantilizing the precarious scenario the world currently finds itself in isn’t going to make it go away.
Idk, Gandhi and MLK Jr most definitely led peaceful movements that made change happen, and that’s just the two most obvious examples. You could say that civil disobedience can lead to violence, especially from the side of the oppressors, but one of the main tenets of civil disobedience is nonviolence.
I would say that once the protestors or oppressed resort to violence, themselves, it is no longer just civil disobedience.
I agree with you that the Houthi attack isn’t an example of this.
I didn’t say it can’t be peaceful, I just said it doesn’t have to be. That isn’t why it’s called that. Also, MLK’s protests were constantly called riots by the racist media at the time. No one should let the people in power define how they can decent, because they would decide you aren’t allowed to at all.
Insert whatever word you prefer. Agitation, strong-arm tactics… go nuts.
Attention seeking destruction.
Yah, that works.
funny way to spell terrorism.
Lemmy probably defended ISIS too.
DAE stopping Genocide is the same as doing Genocide?
If you don’t even know the difference between ISIS and the Houthi’s because you think every Arab group is the same, don’t comment on foreign policy.
Civil disobedience: refusal to obey governmental demands or commands especially as a nonviolent and usually collective means of forcing concessions from the government - Merriam-Webster
This is not civil disobedience by any definition. It is violent, and it is not refusing to follow an unjust law.
Tell me, when did Dr. King or Ghandi shoot missiles at people?
It was an analogy, bub. Touch grass.
Double disaster. The leaking petroleum is an obvious problem, but the nitrogen in the fertilizer will really fuck some things up too. Wonder if will make a giant dead zone.
That’s going to fuck up the entire ecosystem if it does cause a giant bloom. Bad for fishing, too.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A cargo ship that was struck by a Houthi ballistic missile on Monday has created an 18-mile long oil slick in the Red Sea as it continues to take on water, two US officials said Friday.
The M/V Rubymar — a Belize-flagged, UK-registered, Lebanese-owned vessel — was carrying 41,000 tons of fertilizer when it was struck on Monday by one of two ballistic missiles fired from Houthi territory in Yemen.
“The Houthis continue to demonstrate disregard for the regional impact of their indiscriminate attacks, threatening the fishing industry, coastal communities, and imports of food supplies,” US Central Command said.
One of the US officials said the threat of more Houthi attacks in the Red Sea, combined with the condition of the water, makes it incredibly difficult to safely get to the ship and attempt to tow it to a port.
The damage sustained by the Rubymar is potentially the most significant to a vessel caused by an attack launched by the Houthis, who have been targeting commercial shipping in the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden for months.
The Houthis’ attacks have been ongoing for months, and despite several rounds of strikes by the US and UK on their capabilities, US officials told CNN it’s unclear how much weaponry the militia group still has.
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Boy I sure am glad that I’ve completely removed 99% of consumerist plastic from my life, never get take out, and heavily reduced my meat intake in order to help the environment.
BP.
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Yo can somebody tell me what this means/why it’s so heavily downvoted?
Basically means nothing. I just said BP because BP has oil spills. It’s irrelevant.
Ah, that answers the first question. Thanks! :)
@Kase omg is it downvoted, that’s crazy.
Here on kbin it’s upvoted to + 7. Kbin doesn’t federate downvotes so we don’t see any downvotes given by lemmy users, only upvotes.
Belize-flagged, UK-registered, Lebanese-owned vessel
I have zero fucks to give.
About who owns or runs the ship? If this is the case i agree, doesnt matter whos ship it is, these dickheads are just polluting the environment for the sake of it.
The Houthis are trying to stop moving polluting ships through those waters. Are you blaming the ship or the ones trying to stop the ship?
This isn’t about pollution or the environment, everyone knows that.
Trying to shoehorn environmentalism as a justification to keep bombing Yemen is a hilarious mental leap into the abyss.
Start by asking “the coalition” to clear up the depleted uranium they leave lying around the place in the middle east.
Your belief is that the Houthis are doing this to stop pollution? I thought it was supposed to be on behalf of Palestinians.
I don’t believe that at all.
I stated that as an absurdist position in comparison to the absurdist position of complaining about an oil slick in a war.
So why do you believe that they are actually doing it?
You stating what I apparently believe is one of the red flags for someone not engaging in critical thinking.
I’ve told you I don’t believe that, if you still believe I do you’re trying to construct an argument against the evidence.
I am asking why you think the houthis are shooting the missiles.
You said that you don’t believe their stated reason, so I am asking what you believe the reason is, the next question is why you believe that, I am asking your side and for evidence.
No side in this is perfect by far, other than the innocents, who by definition have done nothing wrong
I don’t see what reason the houthis have to lie about this, what would they have to gain by lying?
It’s just a thing. I don’t care.
AmericaBritain blows up all of Palestine but suddenly they really care about the environment when others try to stop them.America isn’t blowing up Palestine. That is a fascist talking point, to try and shoehorn the US and NATO as the villains into any and every situation.
America literally sends billions of dollars in arms and bombs to Israel. Who do you fucking think they use those on?
Where’d the bombs come from? Who fund’s the Israeli military?
Israel wouldn’t have a single fricking bullet without the funding of the US and other Western powers. It is very much America that is committing genocide in Palestine, we’re just letting someone else’s finger pull the trigger.
If they didn’t have the funding they would all be dead already because they are regularly under fire from rockets. Not only now, but also before the last attack of the Hamas.
It’s also someone else aiming the gun. You don’t charge the guy in Walmart for a customer shooting someone.
Actually if you supply weapons to people knowing they will murder others with them you will be held responsible.
But if you supply them under the knowledge they will “defend themselves”, that doesn’t put you in trouble.
Not saying I agree with Israel or the US providing them weapons, but there’s a bit of (perhaps bullshit) plausible deniability involved, and also the US is Israel’s ally so they’re supposed to support them in some manner (although I would say this should stop at providing naval support and generally protecting trade through the region, rather than providing weapons that are obviously being used for genocide).
It must also be remembered that these are not donations, even though politicians seem to frame them that way. Weapons and support is provided under bilateral aid agreements - it is a two way deal, and one that almost always favours the country that’s giving. Israel is effectively taking out long term loans with the US to buy weapons.
Pleading ignorance worked wonders during Neurenberg trials right? Just following orders or something?
This just in, different things have differences.
Exactly. There is plenty of blame to put on the people who - in the face of a freaking climate crisis - still decide to ship
shitloadsshiploads of fossil fuel through a warzone.You misspelled Israeli fuckheads using American weapons that were supplied by the dumb fuck in chief
America, israel and Britain
But in this case it’s a
AmericanBritish ship which is why I’m referencing them specifically.It isn’t an American ship, the ship has literally nothing to do with America.
Whoops my bad you are right. Thanks for correcting me.
I read US central command and was confused thinking this was the Star Iris which was also attacked recently.
I will correct my comments.
