Yeah, and I’m sure they’re dumb enough to fall for it the eighth time. Israel’s definitely done genociding this time, they pinkie promised they won’t come back and finish the job in another two decades when everyone forgets again. If only Hamas could be more reasonable and just accept Israel’s incredibly generous offer to return to the status quo of Israeli settlers stealing Palestinian land and killing them when they protest!
If only Hamas could be more reasonable and just accept Israel’s incredibly generous offer to return to the status quo of Israeli settlers stealing Palestinian land and killing them when they protest!
As opposed to the current situation of Israeli settlers stealing Palestinian land and killing them even when they don’t protest?
Fuck, the solution to being a captive who believes they will be killed isn’t to put your captor’s gun to your head and tell them to pull the trigger. If you’re operating off of the assumption that a ceasefire is unacceptable short of Israeli capitulation to Palestinian demands, regardless of how justified, despite the fact that they have overwhelming superiority at this point in time and are on the cusp of completing their long-awaited genocide… I don’t really know what the fuck to tell you.
That’s not what I’m accusing you of. I got that you’re pro-Palestinian, very clearly. I’m saying that Hamas is not in a strategically good situation, and if your opinion is that any ceasefire offers should be categorically refused by Hamas unless Hamas’s demands are met, despite Hamas currently being in a very bad position relative to Israel forces, and the intensified state of the Israeli genocide, you’re not being realistic.
Any ceasefire that is accepted will necessarily favor Israel at this point, because Israel controls half of Gaza completely and is on the cusp of starving hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to death. Not to mention the damage done to Hamas’s material capacities to resist. I don’t know that accepting this ceasefire is the right strategic choice, but I am certain that “Continue fighting until Palestinian independence is achieved in this phase of the Israel-Palestinian conflict” rather than accepting that not every battle is won in a decades-long war is just suicide on a national scale.
but right now, Hamas is actually getting what it wants for the first time ever. People are now actually demanding an end to the Israeli apartheid, even though the genocide was happening long before October 7th. They’re no longer suffering in silence, there are members of the West that support Palestine now. That is a massive, massive difference compared to conflicts like the 2014 Gazan War or the many Intifadas, where Israel committed many of the same war crimes today but faced zero consequences internationally for them.
At the same time, the West has the memory of a goldfish. If Hamas cedes now, and we do the dance of both sides planning up for a future conflict again, how can Hamas trust that they’ll receive Western support again? How can they know they won’t be villified, and Israel won’t get away with just committing more warcrimes on them? How do they even know there will be a next time, that Israel won’t strike first next time and exterminate all that remains of Palestine, after another few years of illegal settlements concentrates the population even further?
Their best bet is to maintain the current conflict for as long as possible, and hope that international support doesn’t just require Israel to agree to a mutually beneficial ceasefire, but also that international support adds some guard rails to prevent such force from being used against Palestine again. You’re correct that it’s unreasonable to think that this conflict will end with a two-state solution, or really any solution at all. That doesn’t mean Hamas should accept a spit in the face, which is exactly what the current ceasefire terms are.
despite Hamas currently being in a very bad position relative to Israel forces
Hamas barely lost any top ranking officers. Meanwhile israel is losing international support at lightning speed.
The only one with their backs against the wall right now is israel. If they aren’t going to come through with a Palestinian state then Hamas doesn’t have much to lose right now by just dragging israel through the mud further.
If they aren’t going to come through with a Palestinian state then Hamas doesn’t have much to lose right now by just dragging israel through the mud further.
That’s an interesting take. I think more Palestinian deaths would be a pretty significant amount for Hamas to lose. Seems like you’re not at concerned about the genocide as you pretend to be.
Yeah, and I’m sure they’re dumb enough to fall for it the eighth time. Israel’s definitely done genociding this time, they pinkie promised they won’t come back and finish the job in another two decades when everyone forgets again. If only Hamas could be more reasonable and just accept Israel’s incredibly generous offer to return to the status quo of Israeli settlers stealing Palestinian land and killing them when they protest!
As opposed to the current situation of Israeli settlers stealing Palestinian land and killing them even when they don’t protest?
Fuck, the solution to being a captive who believes they will be killed isn’t to put your captor’s gun to your head and tell them to pull the trigger. If you’re operating off of the assumption that a ceasefire is unacceptable short of Israeli capitulation to Palestinian demands, regardless of how justified, despite the fact that they have overwhelming superiority at this point in time and are on the cusp of completing their long-awaited genocide… I don’t really know what the fuck to tell you.
If you read my comment and seriously came away with the idea that I support what Israel is doing, I don’t really know what the fuck to tell you.
That’s not what I’m accusing you of. I got that you’re pro-Palestinian, very clearly. I’m saying that Hamas is not in a strategically good situation, and if your opinion is that any ceasefire offers should be categorically refused by Hamas unless Hamas’s demands are met, despite Hamas currently being in a very bad position relative to Israel forces, and the intensified state of the Israeli genocide, you’re not being realistic.
Any ceasefire that is accepted will necessarily favor Israel at this point, because Israel controls half of Gaza completely and is on the cusp of starving hundreds of thousands of Palestinians to death. Not to mention the damage done to Hamas’s material capacities to resist. I don’t know that accepting this ceasefire is the right strategic choice, but I am certain that “Continue fighting until Palestinian independence is achieved in this phase of the Israel-Palestinian conflict” rather than accepting that not every battle is won in a decades-long war is just suicide on a national scale.
but right now, Hamas is actually getting what it wants for the first time ever. People are now actually demanding an end to the Israeli apartheid, even though the genocide was happening long before October 7th. They’re no longer suffering in silence, there are members of the West that support Palestine now. That is a massive, massive difference compared to conflicts like the 2014 Gazan War or the many Intifadas, where Israel committed many of the same war crimes today but faced zero consequences internationally for them.
At the same time, the West has the memory of a goldfish. If Hamas cedes now, and we do the dance of both sides planning up for a future conflict again, how can Hamas trust that they’ll receive Western support again? How can they know they won’t be villified, and Israel won’t get away with just committing more warcrimes on them? How do they even know there will be a next time, that Israel won’t strike first next time and exterminate all that remains of Palestine, after another few years of illegal settlements concentrates the population even further?
Their best bet is to maintain the current conflict for as long as possible, and hope that international support doesn’t just require Israel to agree to a mutually beneficial ceasefire, but also that international support adds some guard rails to prevent such force from being used against Palestine again. You’re correct that it’s unreasonable to think that this conflict will end with a two-state solution, or really any solution at all. That doesn’t mean Hamas should accept a spit in the face, which is exactly what the current ceasefire terms are.
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Hamas barely lost any top ranking officers. Meanwhile israel is losing international support at lightning speed.
The only one with their backs against the wall right now is israel. If they aren’t going to come through with a Palestinian state then Hamas doesn’t have much to lose right now by just dragging israel through the mud further.
That’s an interesting take. I think more Palestinian deaths would be a pretty significant amount for Hamas to lose. Seems like you’re not at concerned about the genocide as you pretend to be.
They think that October 7 was targeted legitimate resistance. They’re not exactly the most moral poster on here.