The Israeli government insists that Hamas formally sanctioned sexual assault on October 7, 2023. But investigators say the evidence does not stand up to scrutiny. Catherine Philp and Gabrielle Weiniger report on eight months of claim and counter-claim

Talk of rape began circulating almost before the massacres themselves were over. Much of it came from what Patten would later call “non-professionals” who supplied “inaccurate and unreliable forensic interpretations” of what they found, creating an instant but flawed narrative about what had taken place.

Meanwhile, the political establishment has opened a fresh battle with the UN over what the Patten report didn’t say: that sexual violence was beyond reasonable doubt, systematic, widespread and ordered and perpetrated by Hamas. Israeli advocates for the female survivors are now warning that the country’s refusal to co-operate with a full and legal investigation, which the carefully worded report was not, threatens the prospect of ever finding out the full truth about the sexual violence of October 7 and delivering justice for its victims.

It was not a legal investigation, Patten explained, as Israel had not allowed one: that mandate could only be fulfilled by the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory, which Israel has refused to work with since its inception. She hoped that would change.

Patten made it clear there was sufficient evidence of acts of sexual violence to merit full and proper investigation and expressed her shock at the brutality of the violence. The report also confirmed Israeli authorities were unable to provide much of the evidence that political leaders had insisted existed. In all the Hamas video footage Patten’s team had watched and all the photographs they had seen, there were no depictions of rape. We hired a leading Israeli dark-web researcher to look for evidence of those images, including footage deleted from public sources. None could be found.

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    Second message portion (2/2). This is the recommendations. If you want to keep talking with me, you can start with this section, answering some of the unanswered questions and following the recommendations on how you can engage more productively in the conversation. If you’re open to doing that, then sure! Let’s rap.


    Chapter 4: Recommendations

    Section 4.1: Questions for Linkerbaan to Address

    • Substantive Responses to Specific Questions:

      • Provide direct answers to the specific questions posed by @mozz, particularly about the details of the UN report and the logic behind Linkerbaan’s assertions regarding the treatment of hostages.
    • Clarification of Evidence Claims:

      • Clarify which parts of the UN report allegedly debunk the entire report and explain how these sections invalidate the report’s findings.
    • Address Misrepresentation Concerns:

      • Respond to accusations of misrepresentation by either substantiating claims with concrete evidence or acknowledging any inaccuracies in previous statements.

    Section 4.2: Steps for Productive Engagement

    • Engage with Nuanced Points:

      • Engage directly with the nuanced points and specific queries raised by other users to foster a more informed and balanced discussion.
    • Provide Clear Citations:

      • When making claims about the UN report or other sources, provide clear citations and quotes to support these claims and allow for transparent verification by other participants.
    • Acknowledge Other Viewpoints:

      • Demonstrate a willingness to acknowledge and consider other viewpoints, even when they conflict with personal beliefs, to facilitate a more respectful and constructive dialogue.

    This structured report aims to objectively assess the engagement of Linkerbaan in the specified comment chain, highlighting areas of evasion, misrepresentation, and providing constructive recommendations for future discussions.

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      If you don’t want to engage on a subject consider not replying to a thread. One can’t make false rape accusations and then be upset when they get debunked.

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        Why are you rejecting my good faith efforts to help you with productively engaging in the conversation

        I typed up a whole report just for you Linkerbaan