even with good moderation the trolls or intellectually dishonest will wear you down

This is already my experience with any kind of nuanced or challenging topic. There are even examples in this very thread.

Yes and I’m learning that many serious discussion communities are invite only to make moderation easier.

I think you just described moderation in general :)

I’m not talking about trolling.

I’m specifically looking for discussions where Intellectually Honesty is practiced because that’s how the people involved would like to engage in discussion.

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If you can commit to having an open and intellectually honest discussion about it, I promise you won’t have any logical reasons to support the catholic church afterward.

You can show the show, watch the watch, show the watch, and watch the show! Its a world of possibilities out there for showing and watching…

You drink a drink and you eat an eat. Like in the show Good Eats.

Reading this thread, it seems like two different groups of people are having two different conversations.

For me, self-hosting is just that, running my own stuff at home for myself (and my immediate family). My motivation is privacy and freedom. I want to use services that are free of commercial incentives against my interests whenever possible. That usually means self-hosting my services.

I’ve been a system and network engineer for most of my career and I like configuring and managing stuff. I like knowing how everything on my home network runs, where and what data is shared, etc.

As soon as people start talking about “my users need …” I’m out. That sounds too much like what I do at work. I want to relax when I’m at home. Jellyfin is perfect for me to do that with my content without needing any of my data to go to any companies.

For everyone who wants to be an IPTV operator, Plex is the best choice right now. Jellyfin isn’t really focused on that use case.

WhatI’ve noticed is that people who prioritize privacy and just want to watch their downloads on their tv usually use jellyfin and people who prioritize ux slickness and want to run an IPTV service for their friends and family usually use plex.

Why do people miss the Piñata right in front of them after being blindfolded and spun around?

ugh this one time i was visiting a friend in nyc. maybe like 2010. she takes me to this party and i see this guy there wearing a limewire shirt. so i go up and ask him bro do you work for limewire? he says “naw man but i used to” and my mind is blown so i ask him what it was like and he thinks for a sec and then he says “it was wild man” and i didn’t even know what to say after that.

You can indeed find it at finer truck stops and old conveniences stores in the middle of no where. These days I just order by mail. This might be what you seek https://msmeats.com/pages/the-original-1945-cowboy-jerky-dry-tough-and-proudly-old-school

You’ll be happy to know that good old fashioned delicious tooth buster beef jerky is still widely available.