While all getting richer on massive government contracts paid for by other people’s tax.

(Actually I don’t know about Buffett. Musk’s wealth being built on government money is well known. Amazon staff on food stamps constitutes government welfare on a massive scale, never mind the inducements Amazon get for placing distribution centres in whichever district etc etc etc.)

Is there a bigger red flag than a message on it saying ‘if you break this seal you can’t sue us!’

Presumably the risk of getting caught. There must be quite a few people aware of what is and isn’t in that evidence (edit including people in the previous administration and people Trump has sacked), some of whom might whistleblow.

Police are not the brightest in any society.

So I guess somebody needs to tell them that they need to focus their efforts a little better if their current plan is ‘anyone with a Google Pixel is a drug dealer’.

Can I suggest they start with the people with drugs, rather than the people with the – not uncommon - google phones in their search for drug dealers?

As I said. This individual simply cannot tolerate a different reading of the pro-corporate, anti-diversity EU so they immediately resort to vulgar insult.

Believe it or not it suits me personally, on the most cynical level - free movement etc - to be in the EU. It just happens that I grew up with people who have been hammered by EU membership, and who voted heavily against it. I abstained because I won’t vote against the interests of the people I grew up with.

What I said about reform is absolutely on the cards anyway, forcing a rejoining of the EU on people who voted against it greatly hastens their rise. This is something I don’t want to see. EU citizens don’t seem able to bend, and when you don’t bend you break.

Anyway. Block it is.

There is literally zero chance of the British accepting the Euro. It has disaster baked into it.

The Maastricht treaty defined that you lose the right to 1. run budsget deficits in periods of economic contraction. 2. Set interest rates. 3. Devalu your currency when necessary.

Greece got to borrow at rates Germany enjoy - for a while. Germany gets a hugely devalued currency which actually allows it to be a great exporter (well that and the US post WW2 investment).

This inequality in peripheral countries absolutely drives the rise of the far right.

Other than that |the British people don’t want to be in the EU. Being forced into it will put Reform UK into power. They are as Russia aligned as Trump.

Edit - I know most poeople will not be able to cope with this reading of the EU and will not change their mind in any way. When presented with a fact that does not match the reality one has (co-)constructed one has to reject the fact, because one cannot reject reality. So I am happy to agree to disagree, I won’t reply further in this thread, I will just block. And you can downvote this, but you can’t downvote reality away. If only you could, eh!?

The UK political classes ignoring the brexit vote, and rejoining the EU gets Reform UK into power. Who will leave the EU, and are as aligned with Russia as Trump is.

The likes of the bbc framed the brexit debate as a choice between ‘liberalism’ and something xenophobic, which is not why the vast majority of people wanted out of the EU, and omitted the stories of the majority who had very good reason to be unhappy with the EU.

The EU is pro corporatism, anti diversity (why have one set of rules for all of Europe, written by corporate lobbyists in Brussels? What is right for the majority of UK citizens, is not right for the Irish, What is right for Germans is not right for Greeks. etc etc etc. Europe has a wonderfully diverse culture, one set of homogenised rules written by corporate lobbbyists is not right and never will be. Brexit is about the right to self-determinism and autonomy.

The EU was an American idea. They wanted a bulwark against the Soviet Union in Europe. We are in a very different world now.

If the EU wants a Russia aligned nuclear power on their Western side within a decade they push for the UK to rejoin. Th EU ere disgusting in their dealing with the UK post brexit. To expect or demand further concession shows just how hopelessly mislead EU citizens are.

These replies are silly.

It is you all who will continually wonder why the world isn’t working out the way you want it to and the way your ideology told you it should, and I am happy to agree to disagree, so block it is from here on out.

Your failure to deal with the reality poor, former working class people face has and will lead to the rise of the far right. Well done. Continue being right.

You are simply not dealing with reality and we will all suffer because of it.

There is not one thing indoctrinated of racist about my post. Your failure to accept reality suggests indoctrination.

Absolutely not. It is you that is missing the point and we will all be worse off because of it.Deal with reality.

Unfortunately for you, and all of us, there is an increasing tranche of poor people who are directly suffering because of immigration.

We ignore these people at our peril because they will vote for the Trumpists if nobody else is representing their interests.

The middle classes enjoyed the benefits of cheap labour, in particular, but those who had their pay and conditions destroyed are not going to vote to be turkeys at somebody else’s christmas party.

Have children. Flying. Driving. Buying a whole range of carbon intense products blah blah blah.

Vegans just are not credible.

It goes with the couch.

Yeah the industry has been in the shit since credit and debit cards. A homeless guy with a chip and pin device to get donations is completely off-message for the brand

Clearly this premise, upon which your further exchanges are based, is complete bullshit.

You are a troll, presumably one for whom any response is a win. It gives you a little dopamine hit.

What a pathetic place to get to. There are a million ways to get a dopamine hit less pathetic than this, including all of the major addictive drugs.

An office-friendly version of this would greatly improve my well-being so productivity at work.

I’ll build my own cooling and temperature monitoring system

I bunged mine in the fridge, just drill a hole out of the side for the cables then use rubber sealant.