cloudskipper

It’s a style of trance music that matures on the beaches of Goa India, in the 60s there was a lot of travelers to India after the Beatles and the hippies all went over there, there were some people who just stayed. Over some time people kept bringing different kinds of records to these beach parties, and some DJs began spinning some industrial/EBM music, which mixed with some weird sound effects and other records, you get an early proto trance. From there some influences came from Indian music, other electronics music going on in Europe at the time, and the psychedelic hippie culture that was still going on in Goa. Here’s some examples:

Hallucinogen - LSD - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIsVzSMRw8E
The Muses Rapt - Spiritual Healing - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VXAu_8z7hs
Prana - Indigo - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9rehcTJtGVs
X-dream - Our Own Happiness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IE-Flmw3_4Q
Prana and Athena - Moretsu - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwiX7UhQFOc

Well, I could go on, if you would like more I’d be more than happy!

Yes :) I listen to a lot of goa trance which uses a lot of those scales, also a lot of psychedelic trance, psy dub, has a lot of different influences and uses a lot of those different scales. I think a lot of them are using loops and stuff because I don’t think the majority of them have sarod, sitar and tambura players in their studios lol. Those instruments are also quite expensive. I would love to sit down with a sitar or a gayageum which is a Korean type of zither, there’s lots of cool youtube videos of people playing cover songs on them haha.

Oh that’s a lovely show, I never got to listen to it live really but I have a bunch of recordings. There are all sorts of MIDI controllers nowadays, like wind controllers, that take your breath and finger positions and turn it into MIDI notes and velocity. Many other cool gesture controllers too. So chances are if you know an instrument there is a MIDI controller that can covert it to something a synthesizer can understand if it were to interest you.

I hope so, I’m ready at least, I dunno about you but I was an early adopter to all this junk so maybe it will just take some time for others to catch up. Thanks, I will check out the book it sounds familiar and interesting.

Oh yep, I have several Eventide harmonizer pedals, notably Pitch Factor for that kind of thing. Before I had an Alexander Marshmallow which is a real fun pitch shifter, a Meris Hedra and Red Panda Particle (granular) but I had to sell a bunch of stuff recently so I cut down on my pedals a lot.

Well, that’s a good album, but I wouldn’t necessarily call it the best ambient album or anything, it’s just the “first” or whatever. There’s a vast spectrum of ambient music from light to dark to quiet to walls of noise.

I agree with you on the last part, and I’m just as guilty about it so I can’t say a word, I just let it happen because I really thought everyone being online and talking would lead to a new universal understanding and world peace. Well, not quite that, but something near it at least. I suppose I’ve always had high expectations perhaps.

It’s getting a bit more popular these days, some of them have them built in, on synthesizers you have an oscillator pitch or frequency control that you can set from 0 Hz to 20 kHz sometimes, so you can set that up however. I have a Squarp Pyramid that has some microtonal scales built in, so I can play them on my MIDI keyboard and it uses that scale for the MIDI instrument I have selected.

I got into it through ambient music. People like Brian Eno, Steve Roach, Vidna Obmana, Steve Hillage, Richard James, Taylor Dupree, lots of IDM too.

Yeah that’s what I’m saying, would be good to have a place, but then I guess before you have that you have to have a culture that respects and would keep that place clean for everyone else. That’s really sad to hear I hope things get better than normal soon.

Keyboards, synthesizers… I’ve kinda always been into atonal or microtonal sounds. I do it mostly for my own enjoyment really I just like messing with sound :3 I am working on some less sequenced and more tonal stuff, it’s all without computers though. I can kinda play a didgeridoo too :D

Ah yeah that is kind of a bummer that you have no where to play, I think every community should have a square or something, where people can rent it for cheap for a few hours or a day or whatever, and perform their music or poetry or play or whatever. I guess we did have that, at some time, it needs a comeback I think. That would expose more people to music, they could just come and go at their leisure. People could also welcome others to play with them if they like.

This was way before youtube, but I agree on that. I actually wondered what the state of music education was after youtube since you can look up so many different educational videos, exactly what you are looking for, instead of having to learn a bunch of stuff first, since people love short cuts.

Right, good point on that last part and fully agreed, it enriches everything and it feels so good to be able to have a second voice in a way. A more expressive one that can sound any way you want. I think a lot of people feel like if they don’t have anyone to perform for there is no point, but it is personally enriching first and foremost.

I tried to take bass guitar lessons when I was a teen and just couldn’t get into it for that reason, finally the teacher just started teaching me some songs that I brought tapes of and that helped a lot more. I’m more of a fiddle around and see kind of person so I just want to interact with the instrument and see where it takes me. So, now I am into synthesizers where it’s not exactly imperative that you know any music theory at all, physics knowledge is just as helpful sometimes, and I have a lot more fun with musical experimentation that way. I would like to try to take up a wind instrument because those have always sounded so lovely to me. I guess it depends on what your aim with music is, if you want to excel and join a prestigious school and/or orchestra then you’ll need to learn all the theory, if you just want to make music you can really just pick it up and go. Virtuosos are rare despite what social media would have us believe, the rest of us need practice and experimentation. Learn the basics and then let your mind wander and experiment, come back to it when you think you’re ready to incorporate more.

From what you are describing it sounds like music education is getting a lot more rote, and just something to put on a college application or something like that. Or another accomplishment to check off, instead of being a beautiful expression of your soul. Everyone has their reasons I suppose and that’s valid.

That sadly seems to check out. I suppose they see themselves as somewhat too good to talk to the common person, so paying someone to talk to them is a privilege for them. Never mind the fact that once you give someone money they are going to change their attitude towards you in hopes you give them more. I wonder if some of these folks have ever had a normal conversation that didn’t involve some scifi shit. (I love scifi)

Ya I’m a dreamer :)

are they really that elite if they have to pay people to talk to them? idk

I forgot about that, well that’s even worse.

Here’s hoping Niantic gets litigated out of existence, that is just beyond disgusting.

Thank you for acknowledging it and for sharing your experience, I really am. We’re all flawed humans of course. I’m glad that you have been able to work on yourself in that regard as well, I think overall we’re all a bit guilty of it at some point, sometimes people just want to get into a fight to prove something to themselves or someone or the world and it has nothing to do with what they are saying. I’ve found I have a very low confidence in myself and as such I was always trying to prove something. Now I am much happier with the person I am and I have nothing to prove to anyone. I just need to work on letting go of some past tensions and old habits. But again, don’t we all.

Yes I know I’ve been an asshole in the past and I fully admit to that, I’ve mentioned it several times and it’s in my profile as well. I am trying to be more hopeful, positive, and have better interactions, as such, I’m trying to avoid negative interactions. I am sorry if I was a jerk to you. I’m working on it.

Fundamentally yes, just on a different degree of magnitude as mentioned. Any time you automate processes you risk losing the knowledge of the way things were done before hand. With CGI this wasn’t as such a big deal since it only affected things like movie and TV, but a lot was lost if you think about it, stop motion is all but dead, I guess no one knows how to do claymation anymore, I’m sure a lot of practical effects and stunt knowledge has been lost as well. Now, with AI we are replacing the sum of human knowledge. It’s a hugely different scale. We are talking about replacing human cognition, which is actually a pretty radical proposal. (Not the good radical, imo.)

It’s been about 20 years since the intro of the iPhone and most people are absolutely lost without their smart phone maps, because they have offloaded that part of their cognition to their phone. Now, imagine if they keep offloading other things, those faculties are not being used, your mind is not sharp because you are always deferring to something else. It will be interesting to see how things look after 20 years of AI usage, I guess, if we haven’t been destroyed by it yet. (Joke, I don’t think it would happen quite so fast, hopefully.)

I think the key is really the degree to which people rely on it. If it’s the first go to for all the answers we’re in trouble.

I see, thank you, I do admit I’m not super knowledgeable about that. That makes sense, what I was trying to get at before was that it didn’t seem like Islam had such a thing. I know that holy wars have been going on for centuries and the current ones aren’t anything new just different circumstances. I wish religions could live together in peace and I don’t see how obliterating each other helps anyone’s cause. The people fighting wars in the name of religion are all just bastardizations anyways, most people are just trying to get by and want peace. That goes for everyone of course.

I just hope others are doing the same and then maybe we can have a bit more of an open discussion without people have a fear of people jumping down their throats for opening their mouths.

I know the feeling, I spent way too much time before with that then I realize, I don’t want to do this, why am I defending myself so much all the time against angry people who don’t know me and are missing my point? I don’t even like to argue. Sometimes it feels like Lemmy/Piefed is some kind of psy op to make the left into intolerant assholes as much as the right.

Why are you so angry and judgy? Why would I want to talk to you about anything? No thanks.

That is great, I would love to see similar movements in the Evangelical and Baptist faiths here. What about Islam who is moderating that?