I’m not from the US so all of this is baffling. In Europe and even South America there’s tons of mechanisms to stop that from happening, and this kind of meddling would seriously result in arrests. However this is happening in the US with these people going completely unchecked. How is that even possible?!
Good question, as an American, I’m all for these fucks being the first against the wall.
twice the orange shit was impeached, and the republicans did not remove him from office.
then the orange shit was found guitly of 34 felonies and was let off the hook. technically convicted but no punishment.
the systems, checks and balances that should have prevented this situation were tried, but congress / senate did not hold him accountable and punish him. they figured they would end up with more power and money if they let him do what he wanted and so are letting him.
that’s basically it. unless there’s some sort of miracle (and i really doubt there will be) democracy is over in the united states. you just watched the grand old experiment fail.
Not to mention he basically gave any of his followers a get out of jail free card to do violent crime. Do my bidding, I will pardon you. And then pointed toward the gay/Mexicans/trans/non white male communities.
So, it isn’t the exact same situation, but just as a reminder: von Papen, the conservative guy who ultimately put Hitler into power, initially thought he’d be savvy and cede only “not that important” posts to Hitler and the NSDAP. After all, a silly, comically insane upstart like Hitler would be easily outmanoeuvred by knowing the law and how statecraft works, right?
Well, the Nazis just used those posts in illegal ways, overstepped their official authority and refused to report to von Papen at all (whom they should at that point have been subservient to) - knowing full well no one was going to stop them anyway. Shortly thereafter, von Papen was out and Hitler was chancellor.
Von Papen managed to live until 1969, and wrote an autobiography that was derided by historians for having a terribly naive lack of understanding politics, lack of principles and being full of vanity.
It’s good to be a king, and that’s what Trump is now. The people in charge of defending us from this took the money instead.
Laws are only a thing if enforced.
The fox is in the hen house so if we want law enforcement we need to make sure it happens ourselves.
To add to this: The Supreme Court has granted the president immunity from any wrongdoing in addition to pardoning powers.
So Trump or anyone close to him can essentially not be convicted which leads to the massive corruption we’re seeing right now.
The Devil is in the details, and he needs to get the fuck out!
It is a real department, sort of. Trump used Legislation that was intended for an Obama Era “US Digital Service” and rebranded it “US DOGE Service”. He didn’t even need to change the acronym, although it is now a nested acronym.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_DOGE_Service
They do, in fact, overstep their legal boundaries quite often. But the administration simply fires anyone in any other department who gets in the way until they get an acquiescent administrator who lets them grab the department by the pussy.
“When you are rich and famous enough, they just let you do it.”
I wish Trump bragging about sexual assault wasn’t national policy.
yeah but the non-voting lefties are way diggin’ it. They’re so glad genoside joe is out.
Someone better than I should make a copypasta of the typical .ml response. Most of their shit reads as that way anyway.
Don’t worry. They’ll be by, directly.
Because nobody’s punched these little fucks in the face yet
They are a real department. The USDS.
It doesn’t seem like people are really aware that the coup was successful this time. All the shit we are seeing is just fallout from that.
It’s a coup. They are currently rewriting the rules of how things are done.
It’s a coup. They are currently
rewritingwillfully ignoring the rules of how things are done.FTFY
south america has a tradition of government reform and transparency wherein criminals in government are arrested sometimes forcibly. no such tradition exists in the USA
Commonwealth countries have a cabinet system of govt.
Minsters are selected by the cabinet from members of parliament. Departments are closed, opened and altered all the time when there is a ministerial reshuffle ordered by the cabinet.
Any minister could run this sort of operation in their department without palrliamentary approval, and the cabinet could do so for the whole govt (and frequently do).
The US has a presidential form of govt. The presidental office is separate from the parliament. Minsters are appointed by the president and must not be members of parliament.
But the president can’t just choose anyone - they must be members of their political party and they must be elected through a series of member elections and state executive decisions.
The issue here is not that DOGE cannot operate under a minister, its that the president cannot order a political outsider to undertake the duties of a minister properly elected through party processes.
BTW, no such limitaion exists in France - the French president can appoint anyone as minister, they don’t even need to be a French citizen or a residnet in France ! Macron attempted to do this recently but had to back down when the parliament blocked money bills.
The mechanisms only work if people enforce them.
And the purpose of the executive branch is to enforce the policies created by the other two branches. Sooo. Yeah. A vote for Trump, or no vote at all, was a vote for this
It’s a little thing we call “tyranny.”
… as a treat
there’s tons of mechanisms to stop that from happening
There are tons of such mechanisms in the United States as well. Unfortunately the mechanisms essentially boil down to laws, policies, and norms. Doing an illegal action does not pull a lever that deposits you in jail. The whole system relies on the people in power choosing to do the right thing. That’s going to be a potential issue in any country with centralized power.
I watched similar thing happen in my own country. It was just one decision (so far) and made with a very comfortable parlamentary majority. The problem was that it was supposed to be unconstitutional according to wast majority of constitutional experts. That turned out to be absolutely no problem for the parlament and the administration.
It’s not even that I am too much against what they decided, but it did change my views on the nature of law. Any law or constitution is just a paper if it isnt enforced and will carry no weight, when it is simply ignored.
There are two kinds of true, and thus two kinds of ‘real’. There’s the kind where what you believe matters and the kind where it doesn’t. Gravity is the second kind. Step off the top of a building and it doesn’t matter if you believe in gravity, you’re going to fall. Politics is the first kind. If everyone believes I’m the king of North America, well, then that’s the truth. It’s reality. Likewise if everyone in the government believes that Elon Musk can fire whoever he wants, then he can, because everyone will just go along with it.
While true, this takes the heat off the place it most belongs: individuals, individually choosing to go along with something so horrible, when they could instead choose not to.
