French President Emmanuel Macron responded to the Russian army's overnight shelling of Ukraine by noting that Russia "has once again shown that it does not truly share the desire for peace" and expressed "full support" for the Ukrainian people.
You. You’re trying to change the subject from russia to France in order to defend an imperialistic country. Which is what you often do. You’re in like every other thread that’s criticizing russia or china
the thing you don’t seem to realize (or want to, since i just noticed you are french) is that france is doing maybe centuries of imperialism, death and oppression so far. way worse than anything russia ever did. so you just pulled threads from months ago, to null the criticism i made in this one, and hopefully ‘out’ me for being either naive or a tankie? talk about whataboutism.
what i mean, IS north korea bombing the rest of the planet like the US is? i’m not even talking about soviet russia in the last thread you linked…? i’m sorry but it does seem to me like you just went through my post history looking for anything that might diverge from western narrative.
i hate being put in the position to defend modern-day russia because contrary to peoples opinions of mine, they suck. but when the french oligarchy’s mouthpiece is trying to pin them as monsters i can’t help but think its very hypocritical at best.
its not about good and bad. the damage is not even comparable.
Well, in this thread, as it’s been already pointed out, you’ve engaged in whataboutism to change the subject from russia to France. It’s only a small step above a kid’s “NO YOU!” level of argumentation.
Is France’s imperialistic history deplorable? Yes. But by the end of the year they will have pulled out from all but 2 countries with which they had defense agreements, as opposed to russia which is increasing presence in the same countries, in addition to the countries in which it already had a presence. So it’s actually russia that has potentially more troops in Africa, but I can’t find actual numbers to confirm since it’s in russia’s best interest not to declare those.
So yeah, how can you compare a country that leaves when it’s uninvited to russia which is actively shelling a sovereign nation on top of doing the same shit in Africa as all the other imperialists?
i didnt change subjects, i pointed out the hypocrisy. i have been firm on this goalpost the entire thread.
france is STILL imposing the CFAF on what, maybe a dozen african countries right now? this is blatant 19-century style colonialism still. how do you think the french power their squeaky-clean, super-progressive nuclear reactors when their last uranium mine was closed in the early 2000s? where did they get the raw materials to be an industrial superpower?
imperialism goes so much deeper than just the preparations for ww3. if you think russians are worse, i should go back a few comments in this thread and urge you to ask french-speaking africans about it yet again. ask them why some had literal revolutions recently and why western media is saying NOTHING about it.
i’m actually enjoying the conversation but ill have to leave for now, so have a nice day.
You. You’re trying to change the subject from russia to France in order to defend an imperialistic country. Which is what you often do. You’re in like every other thread that’s criticizing russia or china
please point me to where i defended russia in this thread?
I’m glad you asked!
Defending China saying that allegations of Genocide are just lies
Defending Russia’s ludacris negotiation demands
Defending North Korea
Stalin wasn’t that bad of a guy
Standard ableism about Soviet Russia
I could keep going all day. You don’t strike me as a bad type but I cannot allow utter rubbish to be thrown around like that.
The world is not as simple as US/West bad Russia/China good or vice versa. There is a significant amount of nuance that you need to find here.
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the thing you don’t seem to realize (or want to, since i just noticed you are french) is that france is doing maybe centuries of imperialism, death and oppression so far. way worse than anything russia ever did. so you just pulled threads from months ago, to null the criticism i made in this one, and hopefully ‘out’ me for being either naive or a tankie? talk about whataboutism.
what i mean, IS north korea bombing the rest of the planet like the US is? i’m not even talking about soviet russia in the last thread you linked…? i’m sorry but it does seem to me like you just went through my post history looking for anything that might diverge from western narrative.
i hate being put in the position to defend modern-day russia because contrary to peoples opinions of mine, they suck. but when the french oligarchy’s mouthpiece is trying to pin them as monsters i can’t help but think its very hypocritical at best.
its not about good and bad. the damage is not even comparable.
Well, in this thread, as it’s been already pointed out, you’ve engaged in whataboutism to change the subject from russia to France. It’s only a small step above a kid’s “NO YOU!” level of argumentation.
Is France’s imperialistic history deplorable? Yes. But by the end of the year they will have pulled out from all but 2 countries with which they had defense agreements, as opposed to russia which is increasing presence in the same countries, in addition to the countries in which it already had a presence. So it’s actually russia that has potentially more troops in Africa, but I can’t find actual numbers to confirm since it’s in russia’s best interest not to declare those.
So yeah, how can you compare a country that leaves when it’s uninvited to russia which is actively shelling a sovereign nation on top of doing the same shit in Africa as all the other imperialists?
i didnt change subjects, i pointed out the hypocrisy. i have been firm on this goalpost the entire thread.
france is STILL imposing the CFAF on what, maybe a dozen african countries right now? this is blatant 19-century style colonialism still. how do you think the french power their squeaky-clean, super-progressive nuclear reactors when their last uranium mine was closed in the early 2000s? where did they get the raw materials to be an industrial superpower?
imperialism goes so much deeper than just the preparations for ww3. if you think russians are worse, i should go back a few comments in this thread and urge you to ask french-speaking africans about it yet again. ask them why some had literal revolutions recently and why western media is saying NOTHING about it.
i’m actually enjoying the conversation but ill have to leave for now, so have a nice day.