• CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org
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    From what I’ve read, it’s about the definition of “women” in the interpretation of the Equality Act 2010, which specifically and separately mentions protections for transpeople. Basically, the document would be rendered very confusing otherwise, and they’re lawyers first.

    When I heard it was unanimous, I knew there had to be more to the story. Unfortunately it’s the kind of context that doesn’t fit in headlines.

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      If this were protecting trans people, it wouldn’t have been brought to court by a transphobic group, or the win celebrated by them.

      This actively excludes trans folk from vital protections and exposes them to environments that increase their risk of violence.

      There’s no context that makes this anything other than incredibly damaging to trans folk

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        Judges hear the case that’s brought, not the agenda of the groups that bring things. They were even at pains to say this isn’t a victory for either side, probably because they saw the media circus coming.

        It might be damaging. I don’t know where this goes next, although I’m sure you’ll share some ideas. It’s questionable that the legislation was written that way in the first place, but I guess it was 2010 and we should just be glad trans people are in there. That’s really all I have to say about that part.

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          Judges hear the case that’s brought, not the agenda of the groups that bring things.

          Uh huh.

          If that were true, this wouldn’t be an overturning of a previous ruling on appeal. If this were not influenced by political bias, you wouldn’t get different results in different courts. Judges wouldn’t be “conservative” or “progressive”. Judges wouldn’t nearly all be straight, elderly and white.

          They are though, because the appointment process is shaped by political perspectives, because the acceptable rulings are shaped by political perspectives and the cases that get seen and funded are shaped by political perspectives.

          The fact that no trans people were called during the trial is shaped by politics.

          The judges chose to read and rule that sex is “biological” and binary, despite the legislation making no mention of it being biological, and despite the biological understanding of sex being that is very much not binary… All of that, you guessed it, shaped by politics…

          That’s really all I have to say about that part.

          Good for you. Trans people don’t have that choice.

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            I would actually recommend trans people don’t start pointless fights on the internet, as well.

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    Trans women and anyone born with ambiguous genitalia or sex chromosome abnormalities or genetic issues responding to sex hormones or little girls who grow up and sprout a dick and balls

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      Trans women no longer have the same protections as cis women, so this ruling literally does do that.

      We don’t have any evidence of a significant part of the population feeling that they are chickens, yet we do have evidence of trans people existing for as long as humans have. Your argument isn’t based on fact.

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          The first Trans Health Clinic, which included medical support, was founded in Berlin, 1920.

          I’m sure it will come as no surprise it got raided and burned down when fascism came to power.

          So please, fuck off with this “trans is a woke invention” bullshit. Medical professionals have been working on aiding transpeople for over a century.

          And why is the transphobe argument always going back to “man in a dress” anecdotes? The constant attack on transwomen through explicit description of situations, while avoiding that for transmen shows the underlying mysogyny here: Someone who thinks women are inferior arguing that someone labelled as man wanting to be recognised as a woman is wrong.

          And 2S in its essence is different than T, because in most tribes, it’s a non-binary 3rd gender role, where as transfolk are more related to the typical binary roles.

          So again, fuck off with your transphobe drivel and go read a book. If you need a suggestion, start with the banlists the fascist snowflakes are so afraid of.

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          Lol you are so out of touch with reality, trans people are real and have existed for as long as humanity has. We have records of people in ancient societies who are believed to be what we consider nowadays to be transgender (i.e. being AMAB but being buried in a women’s burial position and burial site) and ironically many of them were respected and honored in those cultures (which is why we even know in the first place).

          Also Two-Spirit is a Native American identity, it was added because there are indigenous people who identify that way and deserve to be seen. The fact that you are putting it and them down shows how little you actually care.

          I’m open minded

          You are not what anyone would consider open-minded, you just spent two paragraphs putting down transgender people and denying the existence and identities of native American people who are two-spirit. You can consider yourself open-minded but that doesn’t make it so.

          but not SO open minded that my brain is falling out.

          ha haha HAHAHAHA.That’s so ironic because this transphobic rant you posted indicates that this has already happened long ago. That’s what happens when you fill your head with whatever it was that led you to write two and a half paragraphs of this transphobic garbage.

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          Transgender health care goes back much further than 35 years. It’s just propagandists love to make it seem like John Money invented “transgenderism”. You know why? Look at his name. You were supposed to tie it to Judaism (even if he wasn’t Jewish himself), and then move on to antisemitism as well, not stop at “reasonable demands of trying to treat rapid onset gender dysphoria, with proper science” (the “proper science” is done by “secular wings” of church organizations, who want more believers), and “protecting women’s rights from men” (if you thought gender segregation was to protect women from sexual predators, then I have a bridge to sell you).

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          That is nice to think. That through science you might explain away the existence of transsexuality as an illness of culture. I’ve pondered the same argument, but at the end the things that “men do” and those that “women do” are ultimately supported by intrinsic differences in hormone levels and genetics. So while you could simplify the experience as a cultural phenomenon, you do not yet understand that such cultural phenomenons are the product of an internal difference, subtly driving what each of both genders at a large scale desires to do. Be it that this difference seems cultural, at first glance, it is not. It is an involuntary quality of the person to wish to identify with said cultural perceptions of gender, by causality of those cultural choices adhering more closely to the motivations originating from their mental gender. Yes, cultures are fluid and some will exacerbate this problem, some others will lessen it perhaps, and then less people would feel the need to declare themselves trans. But the fact remains, that independently of culture, you might come to the conclusion that a trans person has already crossed the threshold between a simple aesthetic choice and an inborn propensity to go for that type of choice. Details on where and when, are arbitrary. It is more effective to contrast between the two genders than to define one of them independently. There is also the fact of disassociation with their physical body, but that shouldn’t require my input. I think that’s all, and do as you will. I’ll not respond unless there is something interesting to respond to.