Ukraine and European leaders agreed on Saturday to an unconditional 30-day ceasefire from 12 May with the backing of US president Donald Trump, threatening president Vladimir Putin with new “massive” sanctions if he failed to comply.
The announcement was made by the leaders of Britain, France, Germany, Poland and Ukraine after a meeting in Kyiv, during which they held a phone call with Trump.
What rubbish ?😂😂😂
The EU is dictating terms now ???
🔥Amazing photo, collective desperation and cluelessness on the level of “Downfall” but for real.
Starmer is fascinated by the pen.
I love that painting on the wall behind them. It’s so damn pretty and well done! Anyone here know anything about it, by any chance?
Haven’t Western nations already been applying significant sanctions to Russia? It’s pretty clear that hasn’t been working, why do they imagine that more of the same will work any better? Oh right, they don’t, they just want to look like they’re doing something useful.
It’s pretty clear that hasn’t been working
It’s pretty clear you never looked into it. The Russian economy is massively strained, they got huge problems due to those sanctions.
No doubt, but as a mechanism of applying pressure to get them to stop invading Ukraine, I think you’ll have to agree that it’s failed miserably. That’s what I (and most people) mean by ‘working’: accomplishing the intended aim. Huge problems or not, the war continues unabated. Why do you imagine doing more of the same would be any more effective?
That’s just the normal state of Russian economy
Secondary sanctions could cripple Russia. If Europe and the US say trading with Russia means you cant trade with them then China walks away. No two ways about it, China needs markets to sell their stuff, it would be tense and countries would skirt around them but individual companies can no longer operate flights to the UAE because the governments trade with Russia? They dont do enough trade to make that worthwhile, Russia isnt a big enough market for any country who has any passing trade with the EU or US.
Why? Primary sanctions didn’t. The US and Europe effectively crashed out of Russia’s economy for the most part; they lost access to Western banking, Western businesses abandoned Russia in droves, and the oil and gas sales to Europe that Russia is heavily dependent upon have been significantly reduced. Yet they seem to be doing fine, so what’s left?
Also, why on earth would China walk away from trade with Russia? It’s pretty clear the US-led world order of trade is falling apart and China hasn’t been the one begging for trade deals over here, they seem fine to just write us off and go on about their business elsewhere in the world, I doubt they would have any compunction about doing the same to Europe if it came to that (which I doubt it will.)
The total amount of Chinese trade with Russia is less than the deficit Europe has with China. Secondary sanctions would mean they lose access to the EU which is about 4 times the population size of Russia, and same again for the US. China is pragmatic, and they don’t want that difficulty in favour of propping up a failing regime.
Yeah the Trump regime is stupid and cant handle international relations. Why would China engage.
The amount of trade is not the only thing that matters. Russia exports food, fertiliser and oil. Trade with Europe / US is mostly in luxuries. If forced to choose between them, China will likely choose the first.
(More likely they won’t be forced to choose because they control multiple key supply chains, and can sink the economy of any country except maybe the USA.)
It’s even more stark for my country. No trade with the west means we lose a lot of export revenue, and our growth slows. No trade with Russia means famine and fuel shortages. It’s not even a choice.
The purpose is pressure. These countries dont want to have to deal with scarcity in terms of food, trade, investment or energy. These countries would put pressure to end the war, while other countries would attempt to take Russia’s share of the trade
China will call their bluff because the EU and America are heavily reliant on China.
Especially Europe where the population will directly elect another politician whenever they feel slightly economically inconvenienced by the current one.
Im sorry the Europeans are the ractionary electorate?
The Americans will have to wait another 3 years.
For president, the house is every two and Senate has a third up for reelection every two years.
Its a shithole country with fantasies of monarchy, lets not pretend they are showing stability because Europe has different dates for elections.
Ah yes, opposed to the US where the morons elect a fascist even without the economy being in trouble
The US doesn’t have elections for another 3 years TM
They do, it’s called Midterms
didn’t they try this before?
Tried and succeeded, it crippled the currency and caused massive issues with their exports. There is a lot of talk about how they survived sanctions but the fact is they were barely holding it together for awhile there and its only Trumps return that has given them hope.
This is exactly what I want to see from Europe right now.
crippled the currency
eh. it fluctuated.
It’s being held up artificially right now through unsustainable means. The Russian economy is massively under pressure pushing it towards a downwards spiral and got problems sourcing material, which is what those sanctions intended.
Oh, so it’s not crippled then.
Absolutely Trump has been good for Russia.
But that figure is under strict control from crippling interest rates to foreign currency barriers, mandates to hold the currency for foreign companies and a lockdown preventing capital outflow.
Their economy is suffering massively, from labour shortages to brain drain. The war is keeping them going at this point.
I love when people downvote but dont say anything back because they are either poorly informed, on the losing side or both.
Europe have already sanctioned Russia multiple times over, what makes them think the threat of sanctions is going to make Putin care this time?
The oil price.
After three glorious years of sanctions that totally crippled… oh wait, achieved nothing. This new batch will definitely work!
“After
threeglorious…”8 years + 3 years*
Anything but their own skin in the game by sending troops in.
Ukraine is defending NATO but NATO won’t defend Ukraine. Disgraceful.
Ukraine allowed itself to be cynically being used as cannon fodder by NATO. That was the game plan all along.
There is a Russian counter ultimatum, that Trump has enthusiastically embraced as glorious peace breakthrough: Ukraine must go back to resume Istanbul peace talks this week.
except that western liberals are the villains
right, but you get the idea
for sure, these people really do think they live in a fantasy show
“Time is a flat circle” etc.
should have been at ‘massive’ sanctions a couple years ago.
Europe said it did. But these sanctions are super duper massive, I guess.
Double secret probation!
Exactly, we shouldn’t even be at this point. Russia should be a windswept wasteland.
If western economic integration actually meant anything then it would’ve been.
What’s left to even sanction Russia with at this point? You can’t threaten someone with something you already did 4 years ago.
Actually enforcing the sanctions? Fighting loopholes? Remove exceptions? Reduce gas imports? There’s still plenty of room.
Reduce gas imports?
Please reduce gas imports more. Cripple any semblance of industry and power you have left. You will only use industrial power for killing children in Gaza and maintaining policing infrastructure either way. Better to let the gas be used by Chinese and Indian consumers (unironically).
There are some, and well know by the West in other to appease some EU region that cannot easily accommodate for the sanctions. Do you really, really, think is would it, in any shape or form, even noticeably by Moscow? Their economy is much faster growing with respect the EU and far more diversified in customers than 4 yrs ago (they need now to do it also in types of exported goods). Fr sure, Russia would like to normalize relations with the West, but if you give Moscow the choice of 5Billions trade in the West for the cost of 1Billion from Asia, he will chose to maintain the Asian one without any further thought.
Maybe actually do it.
Are you saying Russia isn’t under sanctions right now? Are you saying that the private wealth of Russian corps and citizens stored in North Atlantic institutions wasn’t frozen and then spent?
it’s not considered “sanctioned” until the International Communitytm deems it so!!!
Surrender now Putin or we’ll stop trading with you at massive expense to our own economy! We’ll do it we swear
“Stop or I’ll shoot!” I say, pointing the gun at my own foot.
This is so embarrassing i feel it from second hand.
Cringe on a geopolitical scale
Why?
Absolutely divorced from reality. They themselves put about every sanction inmaginable on Russia already, and Russia not only withstood them, but also advanced their economy tremedously in last few years. This statement is confiramtion that the rulers of Europe are either batshit insane and should be removed from their offices immediately, or a confirmation they play at some cynical political game at the expense of their constituents and should be removed from their offices immediately.
Advanced their economy tremendously? They have 21% interest rates, capital controls to boost the currency, a labour shortage and an economy that likely cant be decoupled from the war in an anyway quick fashion.
Come out of it.
Yes Europe should be removed from office. Christ above is this the level we are already at, where are you from?
Advanced their economy tremendously?
Good one.
Greetings to St.Petersburg!
Reset conversation
This is so embarrassing i feel it from second hand.
Russia already had proposed a ceasefire for victory day but rejected any other since it would allow Ukraine to regroup. They’re winning, they already rejected this, this is just posturing for the home audience.
