I personally think that the US will eventually be fine. It’ll be messy, but as long as there’s no nukes, we’ll be around. Every government falls, but the people tend to remain. I believe that even this government is technically salvageable, it’d just require a very well planned takeover. More important, is the planet’s decline theoretically fixable?
There are other examples of possibilities than the USSR.
Western Europe gave up most of their colonial possessions after WW2. They ended up fine. Arguably better off, even.
Ancient Rome went through many periods of crisis and getting their shit back in order. The Eastern half of the Empire went on for about another 1000 years after the split–it lasted almost long enough to see Columbus get completely lost and stumble on some land. At one point, it held almost the whole territory of the original Roman empire, albeit briefly.
There are a million ways this can go. Liberal America could reassert itself more or less as it was. It could break into coalitions of loosely affiliated states kinda like Prussia. It could undergo great reforms and fix a lot of problems with its structure of government. I couldn’t even guess which is more likely right now.
I don’t know if you know this. But most of the people in the former USSR are pretty okay. Not the best, but improving, and alive. If the US split into 10 or more countries, then most of them would be decently well off. There’s nowhere near a guarantee of that happening. Empires rise and fall al the time.
It recovered from a massive asteroid hit and recovered from many mass extinction events that were worse than us. Will all the other species we have now be fine? Probably not but the planet and nature will eventually recover there will be some species that persist and a couple hundred million years later a new species will grow to reign the planet. We aren’t that special
We are that special, in 4 billion years only one species has done what we have done. For better or worse. It’s not certain conditions will be right for it to happen again
No we really arent, an asteroid did more than we ever could in a shorter time frame even if we detonated every single nuke on the planet we wouldnt come close to that level of destruction and carbon release. The planet has recovered from far worse than humans. All you need is bacteria and another billion years and life will emerge again in the worst of scenarios. Not to mention life even started with worse conditions then we can create today. It’s such human hubris to assume we are doing anything more but killing ourselves and the species we rely on for our dominance.
I’m talking about sapiens not human caused extinctions.
Yeah, we really aren’t that special though lets be real here. We act like we are the only emotional animals, only animals who think, etc. There are plenty of examples with other species demonstrating similar phenomenon and if humans were out of the picture there is nothing that would prevent another species from evolving and becoming sapient like humans.
That is far from guaranteed
Nothing is guaranteed but none of the damage we are doing has the potential to do any more harm than the planet has endured in the past and shown to bounce back from remarkably well and creating new species, ecosystems etc. The only thing far from guaranteed is us actually destroying all life on the planet. So much has to go “right” for that to happen, whereas for life to continue the planet, nature just needs to evolve and continue as it has done numerous times in the past.
Listen, if you want to say we are destroying certain species, environments, etc. I’m not going to disagree with you. But the planet and life in general has bounced back from worse situations than any man made catastrophe can do at this point. To act like we are some special life that has the ability to destroy our planet the only species that can evolve to be “advanced” (if you call figuring out creative ways to slowly kill ourselves advanced lol) you are just demonstrating the human god complex fallacy thats lead to creation myths and tales of God’s creating us in their image. We are nothing more than another animal on the planet, everything we create is a natural product of nature. What we deam unnatural compounds will eventually be a food source for some bacteria or mold like species down the line, just like wood. Whether we will be around for that future is the question realistically, not if it will happen.
I personally think that the US will eventually be fine. It’ll be messy, but as long as there’s no nukes, we’ll be around. Every government falls, but the people tend to remain. I believe that even this government is technically salvageable, it’d just require a very well planned takeover. More important, is the planet’s decline theoretically fixable?
Two party system needs to end.
Hello one party system
No no no, not like this…
One finger curls on the monkeys paw, wish granted
US will be fine as USSR thought it would be fine.
There are other examples of possibilities than the USSR.
Western Europe gave up most of their colonial possessions after WW2. They ended up fine. Arguably better off, even.
Ancient Rome went through many periods of crisis and getting their shit back in order. The Eastern half of the Empire went on for about another 1000 years after the split–it lasted almost long enough to see Columbus get completely lost and stumble on some land. At one point, it held almost the whole territory of the original Roman empire, albeit briefly.
There are a million ways this can go. Liberal America could reassert itself more or less as it was. It could break into coalitions of loosely affiliated states kinda like Prussia. It could undergo great reforms and fix a lot of problems with its structure of government. I couldn’t even guess which is more likely right now.
I don’t know if you know this. But most of the people in the former USSR are pretty okay. Not the best, but improving, and alive. If the US split into 10 or more countries, then most of them would be decently well off. There’s nowhere near a guarantee of that happening. Empires rise and fall al the time.
Two largest republics are war with each other, another two were invaded by Russia.
That planet will be fine, humans maybe not so much.
The planet as a rock. Not nature. There’s a mass extinction going on and those animals and plants will never recover.
It recovered from a massive asteroid hit and recovered from many mass extinction events that were worse than us. Will all the other species we have now be fine? Probably not but the planet and nature will eventually recover there will be some species that persist and a couple hundred million years later a new species will grow to reign the planet. We aren’t that special
We are that special, in 4 billion years only one species has done what we have done. For better or worse. It’s not certain conditions will be right for it to happen again
No we really arent, an asteroid did more than we ever could in a shorter time frame even if we detonated every single nuke on the planet we wouldnt come close to that level of destruction and carbon release. The planet has recovered from far worse than humans. All you need is bacteria and another billion years and life will emerge again in the worst of scenarios. Not to mention life even started with worse conditions then we can create today. It’s such human hubris to assume we are doing anything more but killing ourselves and the species we rely on for our dominance.
I’m talking about sapiens not human caused extinctions.
That is far from guaranteed
Yeah, we really aren’t that special though lets be real here. We act like we are the only emotional animals, only animals who think, etc. There are plenty of examples with other species demonstrating similar phenomenon and if humans were out of the picture there is nothing that would prevent another species from evolving and becoming sapient like humans.
Nothing is guaranteed but none of the damage we are doing has the potential to do any more harm than the planet has endured in the past and shown to bounce back from remarkably well and creating new species, ecosystems etc. The only thing far from guaranteed is us actually destroying all life on the planet. So much has to go “right” for that to happen, whereas for life to continue the planet, nature just needs to evolve and continue as it has done numerous times in the past.
Listen, if you want to say we are destroying certain species, environments, etc. I’m not going to disagree with you. But the planet and life in general has bounced back from worse situations than any man made catastrophe can do at this point. To act like we are some special life that has the ability to destroy our planet the only species that can evolve to be “advanced” (if you call figuring out creative ways to slowly kill ourselves advanced lol) you are just demonstrating the human god complex fallacy thats lead to creation myths and tales of God’s creating us in their image. We are nothing more than another animal on the planet, everything we create is a natural product of nature. What we deam unnatural compounds will eventually be a food source for some bacteria or mold like species down the line, just like wood. Whether we will be around for that future is the question realistically, not if it will happen.
Which strawman are you flailing against? I havent said anything about human caused destruction, where are you getting that from?
Who made that claim?
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Of course not but there’s nothing forcing it to happen either. Dinosaurs ruled the planet for far longer than mammals and they never got where we are
You say we aren’t that special but show me one other species that has created a civilization like humans, I’ll wait.
whew, relieves me to know me and everything i love is gonna die, but the rock we live in is gonna keep existing. so uplifting!