Some of you might remember when a 3mb flash animation could pack in some 5 minutes of animation, with the more advanced ones even having chapter/scene selectors, which could also include clickable easter eggs and other kinds of interactions during the scenes.

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    19 hours ago

    Where do you expect me to get actual numbers from?

    But as a proportion of content creators, back in the early 10s a huge proportion of content creators were submitting content to places like newgrounds. And itch.io equivalents all used flash.

    And around 2015, the total number dropped, but didn’t have a corresponding increase in non-flash equivalents.

    Why? Because what few tools existed to do so had a much much much higher bar for entry. So the content simply never got created.

    Flash sucked as a content consumer because the plugins had mediocre support and were full of vulnerabilities.
    But as a creator, it was great.

    People too dumb to dumb to learn real programming languages and frameworks

    Eww. that’s elitist as fuck.
    These people aren’t software devs. They shouldn’t need to learn to code in order to animate a video.
    For absolute shame. Wow.

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      You know what, I can give you numbers:

      The table shows how YouTube’s video count grew from 0.5 billion in 2015 to 5.1 billion in 2025. The biggest jumps happened in 2023 and 2025, with 800 million new videos each year.

      https://seo.ai/blog/how-many-videos-are-on-youtube

      Die Seite hat nach eigenen Angaben über 1.400.000 registrierte Mitglieder und über 660.000 Einträge (Stand: 7. April 2013).

      "The Site has, according to their own statements, over 1 400 000 registered users and over 660 000 entries (7th of April 2013).

      https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newgrounds

      (Had to resort to German Wikipedia, because their stats site has been down for a long time and wasn’t saved in Webarchive.)

      So you see, even at the height of their popularity, they had about 1/1000 of the content of Youtube and compared to now, it’s 1/10000. And that’s only Youtube, not counting Facebook, Reddit, Tiktok, Instagram and all those other platforms people use to share their content.

      And around 2015, the total number dropped, but didn’t have a corresponding increase in non-flash equivalents.

      So yes, there has been a massive, massive increase in non-flash video content, so much of an increase that flash looks like a tiny spec of a niche of internet history.

      In fact, most of the old flash videos have more views on youtube than they ever had in their original forms.

      Eww. that’s elitist as fuck. These people aren’t software devs. They shouldn’t need to learn to code in order to animate a video. For absolute shame. Wow.

      And now you are getting onto something. No need to program when making a video for Youtube.

      Flash was abandoned as fast as possible as soon as newer, easier and better alternatives arrived.

      Those who wanted to code, left for JS. Those who wanted to make videos left for Youtube and the likes. Those who wanted to make games left for Unity and other engines.

      Flash was just outdated, old technology. Nothing else.

      You have been elitist as fuck throughout all your comments in this chain, thinking that you are somehow better than everyone else because you got stuck in some old software and didn’t manage to migrate to something better.

      If you aren’t a developer, don’t claim to be.

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        So yes, there has been a massive, massive increase in non-flash video content

        how many of those are animated video. holy willful misinterpretation.

        In fact, most of the old flash videos have more views on youtube than they ever had in their original forms.

        what point do you think you’re making here?
        this whole thread is lamenting the fall of interactive animation. you cant hide a funny mouse-over easter-eggs in a youtube video, like OP is talking about. The file sizes are huge.

        Flash was abandoned as fast as possible as soon as newer, easier and better alternatives arrived.

        except that the alternatives that fulfill the wants of OP are way harder to make the equivalent art.

        You have been elitist as fuck throughout all your comments in this chain, thinking that you are somehow better than everyone else because you got stuck in some old software and didn’t manage to migrate to something better.

        Only because, as you demonstrated in the other thread, you’ve (willfully?) misread what I’ve said. meanwhile you’ve just told people “learn to code or pick up a camera, fuck the art that you actually wanted to make”

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          how many of those are animated video. holy willful misinterpretation.

          Definitely much, much more than anything that was ever made in flash. Also, flash animation started because there was nothing else that could fit into a size that was affordable enough to host and small enough to download over low bandwidth internet. Two constraints that don’t matter any more.

          this whole thread is lamenting the fall of interactive animation. you cant hide a funny mouse-over easter-eggs in a youtube video, like OP is talking about.

          So now we are back to “needs programming”, which you just said in your last comment that it is not what you are talking about. You aren’t just moving the goal posts, you are switching them back and forth.

          The file sizes are huge.

          Who cares? It’s not the early 2000s any more.

          except that the alternatives that fulfill the wants of OP are way harder to make the equivalent art.

          Again, you seem to think that Unity doesn’t exist, same as you claimed above that Unity can only do 3D and you claimed you need to know how to program to use Unity. None of which is true.

          Only because, as you demonstrated in the other thread, you’ve (willfully?) misread what I’ve said. meanwhile you’ve just told people “learn to code or pick up a camera, fuck the art that you actually wanted to make”

          The art that YOU wanted to make. Apart from you and that other dude in this thread I have never actually heard of anyone being sad that Flash is gone.

          And if you really want to make flash stuff, you can use one of the dozens of Flash to HTML5 converters (that you apparently don’t know exist) or a Flash on Webassembly implementation, which exist as well.

          You are crying over the loss of something that still exists, and people are not using it because it still sucks.