one time when I was in college my mom called toward the end of the spring semester and said “if you’re not busy you should make a few phone calls and get a job lined up for the summer by the end of the day”
That would elicit from me a reactive “kill yourself” and a lengthy period of awkwardness later
I hope you hung up on her.
They should be forced to stay in the contest until they earn $10,000.
Until they save $10,000*
While renting.
Good luck getting a place to rent too. That could be another game even.
They have yo save enough to afford a down payment on the first home they bought, at it’s current price
They have to save enough for the bond on the rental apartment lol
Ha!
The generation war, the political war is just to distract us from the fact we are all under assault by a class war from the super rich. If we fight each other, we can’t fight the rich.
Blame it on the billionaires, not other generations.
we are all under assault by a class war from the super rich
It isn’t strictly from the super rich. There’s layers to the class conflict. It’s like an onion.
You have a large and entrenched class of pensioners who do actively resist any form of liberal economic reforms. You have an incredibly lucrative tech sector that rent-seeks off the political paranoia of the internet age. You have a bloated leviathan of police state, upon which tens of thousands of parasitic Kandy Krush Kops subsist. You have legions of ex-military mercenaries, security guards, consultants, D-list celebrity personalities, and bouncers. Then you’ve got sheriff’s offices and prison companies and home security sellers and media propagandists and outright scammers, all drawing their incomes off a social fear of the underclass.
Plutocracy doesn’t exist in a vacuum. A sizable chunk of the consumer economy is predicated on the process of violently suppressing the tier of labor below your own. We are not all under assault. Many of us are doing the assaulting.
It’s still a class war. Not a generational war.
Pensions change class alignment. Especially when those pensions are predicated on a perpetually increasingly equities market.
not when those generations actively support the bullshit by being stubborn and ignorant
They still aren’t your enemy. At worst, they are a burden.
lol when they do it over and over and over again
100% why I don’t give advice.
Older people refuse to acknowledge that the world has changed and the younger generation is legitimately fucked by no fault of their own.
The more you give advice from a place of genuine compassion, the more you work out your empathy circuitry and thus the better you will be at understanding others’ problems and communicating with them, not to necessarily give them a solution, but to help them how they need.
Yes, but I also see the flip side. I often went without luxuries, or even good food in the early 90s (like cutting mold off my bread to make a sandwich for work) so that we could save to buy our first house. While I see young family members complain that life is expensive and its a boomer problem, but they forget their 20k debt is because they are using Skip to order a milkshake, burger, sub etc. every day. There has been a conveniece culture created, besides capitalism running wild on house prices.
…yeah. The people commenting here have unrealistic expectations. I feel as though they’re using old sitcoms and movies to make assumptions about the boomer generation.
The people alive today in the United States have an unsustainably high standard of living; we need to continue supporting international wars of conquest if we want to keep what we have. The international politics of the Boomer generation is the source of our wealth.
Personally, I think I have more than I deserve. I have no illusions regarding my worth.
There is a middle ground. A lot of younger people are legit shit at applying for jobs, like they don’t even read the job description and put the the position title… they just throw up a wall of buzzwords and copy-paste it and call it a day, showing the application reviewers they have no legit interest in the job.
Also a lot of them are awful interviewers, again, focusing on vibes and buzzwords and demonstrating a lack of legitimate interest. And yeah that might work if you want a bullshit job for a bullshit company, but for more serious work it’s a huge red flag.
Just having basic social skills to like, demonstrate that you know what the company does and that you’d be interested in it’s mission, as basic as that is, sets your application above like 95% of the rest of them. You don’t have to be fancy… you just have to demonstrate basic information processing and acknowledgement skills…
the application reviewers
What, you mean the LLM that filters out everything without the bullshit and buzzwords before it ever gets to a human? 'Cause that’s the only “reviewer” a carefully-written but not machine-optimized application is ever gonna see.
No.
A lot of younger people are legit shit at applying for jobs, like they don’t even read the job description and put the the position title… they just throw up a wall of buzzwords and copy-paste it and call it a day, showing the application reviewers they have no legit interest in the job.
Often the jobs being offered are opaque, confusing, or outright scammy. Often the people doing the applications are just bots testing the HR system for vulnerabilities or marketing reps looking to sell independent contractors.
I’ve lived on both sides of the hiring game, and in my experience just about the only way to get a job (outside of a job fair at a college or other meet-and-greet event) is via referral. The process of searching for and apply for jobs has become such a disorienting mess that simply spamming responses without bothering to read the job offer seems as reasonable a response as the HR method of throwing out hiring requests that nobody intended to read or respond to.
Just having basic social skills to like, demonstrate that you know what the company does and that you’d be interested in it’s mission, as basic as that is, sets your application above like 95% of the rest of them.
In a face-to-face interview, sure.
But in an entirely digital marketplace for labor, you’re legit better off just throwing shit at the wall until you actually make contact with another human being.
You can’t custom Taylor every job application, chances are it’s fake anyways and you have to apply for a lot
Like I’m fucking “interested in the mission” after the first 400 applications that a human doesn’t even see.
Same problem exists with dating apps. “You want me to personally tailor my first message to you based on what I can glean from your generic profile, and somehow still stand out from the hundreds of other messages you’re getting based on that same profile? Do you realize how many hundreds of messages I have to send just to get one response? At least respond to “hi” first, and then I’ll put more effort into it. That’ll filter out the 90% of profiles that are fake or aren’t even checked and just advertising their instagram, snapchat, OF, or crypto business.”
I mean, I haven’t used dating apps in years because they were bullshit. But man was that frustrating, especially cause it’s basically taboo to approach anyone in person anymore…
I digress…
From the other side of the aisle, consider receiving a dozen messages that just say “hi” and a handful that are legitimate attempts at conversation. You only have so much time in a day to respond, so which ones would you most likely respond to?
In my experience of 2+ decades of dating across the gender spectrum (much of which was initiated online), the people who message “hi” often end up being bad conversationalists. I put effort into responses, just to get back something like “lol, that’s great. wut u up to saturday?” Uh, probably looking for someone who’ll respond as if they read what I wrote before attempting to meet me in person.
Though I’m the kind of person who likes deep conversations, and I know not everyone is. I make it very clear in my profiles that we need to both feel a connection, so I expect someone who messages me to at least comment on one thing I wrote. Some people don’t bother at all, just going by pictures and spamming “hi” to whoever is attractive to them, without reading a word the person wrote.
Anyway, I think the point is that a lot of people don’t put in the effort, whether man, woman, or nonbinary. People treat dating sites like it’s a shopping website and they can just put people into their “cart,” like we’re just commodities that can be freely exchanged. If someone just says “hi” and nothing else, I assume that’s the way they see me. I see no point in responding if the entire burden of conversation is going to fall onto my shoulders.
I mean, yeah you’re probably inundated with crap and have to find the needle in the haystack. This side of the aisle is more like finding the hay in a needle stack. Both suck, but in different ways.
But when you have to like hundreds of profiles just to get a few matches, and message dozens of matches just to get a few replies, and then 80% of those replies turn out to be fake accounts trying to get you to buy crypto or follow on social media, and the other 20% are likely to ghost you for no fault of your own, it doesn’t really encourage putting maximal effort into every conversation from the first message. Especially when the likelihood of the other person putting in equal effort is slim.
Besides, someone might be good at deep conversations but bad at smalltalk. How are they supposed to initialize a conversation? I’m incapable of witty banter, but I can dive right into walls of text on various topics. Only, that’s seen as a red flag and gets immediately unmatched. So I have to tone down my personality, which basically leaves nothing left other than “hi, how are you.” Or “I see you like books, what’s a good one you’ve read recently?”
Which that last one seems to me like it would be a good one, but it still doesn’t get a response. Am I just ugly? I know I’m bad at taking selfies. Or maybe it’s impossible for me to write a description of myself without making it abundantly clear that I have no social aptitude whatsoever.
Like I said, I gave up long ago. I gave up trying to meet people in person long before that. I’ll probably die alone, and a thousand years from now there will be no one in the world who can trace their existence back to me. But at least the dating app ceos are making bank, right?
Edit: Going to just bold ‘vast majority’ since people seem eager to ignore that part of what I wrote.
I strongly disagree.
Unless you’re born into a wealthy zip code (and your zip code of birth correlates strongly with whether or not you become successful), you have four choices as far as I can see it: Crime, a lifetime of debt for a college degree, risk death in the military, or work a dead-end job until you inevitably can’t afford to live.
That is what the vast majority of young people are facing. They want to work, but even if they get a job, it doesn’t keep up with the cost of living and neither ruling party is going to lift a finger to help them.
The college degree also does not guarantee you’re not working a dead-end job! I know graduates doing things like driving school busses, working as a barista, and just working in an apartment building office. No guarantee you’ll find anything in your desired field
The college degree also does not guarantee you’re not working a dead-end job
Good point. And even doctors and lawyers are finding it a struggle to live, because of the debt burden.
Or just be smart, hard working, and get scholarships by going to schools that offer generous aid packages.
And where does that leave the rest of us mere mortals, you know the 99% of us humans that don’t enjoy the smell of their own farts
We attended the college scholarship presentations for my kids. A bunch of scholarship folk from the colleges spoke about “Just apply” that’s all it takes.
Because millions in unclaimed scholarships are left on the table because nobody applied.
One guy got the women’s sport scholarship because no women applied for it, so the school was like what the hell might as well give it to somebody.
Yeah but just apply implies a support system. Those kids dont just apply because they dont have parents who can force them to do it. And a ton of kids millions of them, did sit there and apply for the scholarships and now they’re baristas and uber drivers. Because even if everyone went to college for free, not everyone can be a lawyer or a doctor, we need greater numbers of baristas and uber drivers than we need numbers of lawyers and doctors, the economics just doesn’t work.
So again, what are the 95% of us who arent in the top 5% supposed to do, just be poor forever fuck us?
Also, uni doesn’t have to be about career, it’s personal growth. There is a good book, which I forget the title right now, about how countries that stop teaching the arts start to have less critical thinkers in society and just become factory minded workers with no questioning of the capitalistic nature their country is pushing onto them to only increase profit. So really we should all have free schooling to grow as a society, even if your passion is making the perfect latte
Trades is the best bet. I left Uni, and went into a trade. At 23 I had a house, wife, car, and baby on the way—Trades can be surprising lucrative, and can lead into other avenues via the variety of skills learned.
For example, now I train engineers how to use their software or how to solve the technical problem they face via the sequrnce of tools in the engineering program.
In some cases I’m earning more than the engineers. Their paper might open other oversea jobs though.
Join a union! Now my dead end job is a ‘career’ with benefits
I’m so glad you said that.
Because it’s just that easy.
you have four choices as far as I can see
I don’t think these are “four choices”, as Crime and The Military are roughly interchangeable. Both of them are dead end jobs that only function if they give you a leg up into a degreed profession. I also have to say… you really don’t need to go into a “lifetime of debt” to get a degree from a city college or community college. We’re talking the cost of a car - too much, to be sure - but not every university is charging Harvard rates.
Beyond that, pretty much every job takes you along the path from entry level newb to valued technical master. What skills you develop and where they add that value can change with the shape of the economy and the technological frontier. But in the end, where you spend your time working trains you to do what you will be paid for in the future. There’s not four choices, there’s more like two choices - do what you’re doing right now or change and start back at the bottom of the ladder.
That is what the vast majority of young people are facing.
The vast majority of young people have no experience and no background. So they’re attacking what is a very opaque job market in the economic headwinds of an '06/'07 or '00/'01 financial meltdown. But you’re not an entry level employee forever. Learning your profession is as much about learning how to get paid as how to do the work. Your income is ultimately predicated on your ability (and luck) when navigating between employers and across downturns.
But careers do improve over time. You’re not the new guy forever.
The interest is in getting paid, not the work itself.
Great. then you can work for shitty employers
I mean yeah I do work for shitty employers cause they at least pay decent even if they don’t do anything else right
right, because you’re only there for the paycheck.
those of us who work for good employers are here for more than the paycheck.
Ain’t their fault I value my time outside of work more than I’d ever value any job or the people there.
Why are you booing him? He’s (kind of) right!
Lot of young idiots out there because of terrible parenting.
because the lemmy userbase thinks everything isn’t their fault. they are hapless victims who should never have to learn or try or progress… clearly if only AI didn’t exist… they’d be be making 300K a year and own 3 homes…
Yeah youre mostly spot on. I do despise ai used for anything other than data crunching. But its used for way more bad than good.
Now I made it pretty good because I’m not a minority and dont have health issues and I have a good work ethic and desire to learn. Not everyone is so lucky. So fuck all billionaires that blame the poor.
The downvotes are misplaced. I have seen this job seeking lack of skill first hand. Job wants a cover letter, work history, and notes about looking for a person with past volunteer experience to show that they are a community driven individual; since the employer donates profit to the community. Resume comes in and instead of cover letter, it has a long rant about they felt their upbringing was badly done by parents. No awareness about what was requested as the application process, and no self awareness about oversharing at a job interview.
And it’s not isolated.
Had one guy answer all good answers to questions claiming to know this software package. 2 weeks in its looking odd that he hasn’t finished the training package, turns out he was just on Instagram all day. Found out he had no clue about the software and why he was also canned at previous job. We have no issues training a good candidate, but if you just lie and hope to coast without doing anything…well there is the door.
sets your application above like 95% of the rest of them
Bro if everyone does this there’s still 95% of people who wouldn’t get a job, like it’s good advice for an individual, try to be elite, but ultimately it’s advice we ALL got in school(i.e. youre not telling anybody anything they dont already know) and we ALL try that and 95% have to be left out of that top 5% by definition.
Which the interesting thing about your comment is that you demonstrate a huge flaw of all conservative rhetoric actually – what’s good personal advice for an individual CANNOT be any kind of coherent social policy. It’s confusing the micro and macro, it’s nonsense, like confusing general relativity and quantum mechanics. Yes heisenberg uncertainty principle is absolutely real but you cannot use that to talk about planets and stars. Yes, being personally financially responsible and saving more than you earn is great advice for any individual but you cannot use that as general economic advice, it would literally crash the economy.
Back to your example, what happens when a company is looking to hire three people and they get 3000 excellent applicants? They’re gonna reject 2997 excellent personalized amazing applications.
I don’t really care about boomerism any more
make people who believe in late stage capitalism have to survive the low end of it. regardless of who they are
I’d pay to see one of those little DOGE wankers forced to work on a construction site
Fuck construction, put them in customer service
Have them apply for all these programs that people are supposedly abusing.
Woah there Satan
I have always said, if I were elected President, my first act would be to eliminate the draft and institute mandatory retail service of 2 years for everyone - especially those above a certain age and who make above a certain annual salary.
It would either force people to learn empathy and make the world a better place, or it would destroy the country. And I don’t care which.
Totally agree.
They should also apply for entry level stuff.
Season 2, doing that entry level job.
Mid-season finale: learning that was just a government-aided internship period, and they
can’twon’t actually pay for another full-time employee, because they can just use their existing experienced workers to cover the extra tasks at no extra cost.
Would be better if they had to apply online with an 18-25 year olds resume.
Boomers have the advantage of personal connections that they have built up over the course of a lifetime. Many of them will still be able to find a job “the old fashioned way” just through those connections.
Many still will not. Because job hunting is still garbage. But it’s still not a good way to show them reality unless they have a blank slate with 100k in student loan debt.
Would be better if they had to apply online with an 18-25 year olds resume.
…which they then need to re-type into 17 different fields in a not quite broken corporate HR website.
Don’t forget:
“sign in with <social media account>”
Asked you to create a separate password and login anyway. For some reason never uses it but requires you to use a “one time password” sent to your email each time you login.
Also, you can’t login with your email address. You have to use a username you don’t remember because your usual one is already taken.
Phone calls and in person died off in the late 2000s. There was still the occasional HR with public access but it was more: use one of the computers right over there. Nope, keep that resume, input that information at the application station.
By the early 2010s, those were gone. No one knows where the door to HR is now. That knowledge has been lost to all but the few who work there. The phone was also disconnected at that time.
In a lot of places, HR isn’t even on site, or in some cases, they’re not even part of the company. I know my current employer contracts their HR services.
HR works better when they don’t know the people involved. It’s a lot easier to destroy people’s lives when you don’t know them.
The fun part is when you need to talk to HR you go to their website and it says “if you need to contact us reach out to your HR partner.” and doesn’t even give you a phone number or email.
our HR basally begs us for personal references once every few months, even offering referral bonuses for like $1000.
and almost none of our hires come from that. they are mostly blind hires for entry level. for mid and upper level they are head hunted.
we tried temp to hire through but those employees were almost always fired for being total disasters.
I mean, good, fuck HR. It exists to protect the company from you, not the other way around
I’d pay good money to see them going door to door with their résumés, only to be met with the blank gen Z stare of children who don’t even know who owns the shop they work at, or why an old man is trying to hand them a scrap of paper with their life story on it.
Stop making this a generational war, boomers aren’t the problem. Unrestrained capitalism is.
Yeah boomers kind of are the problem they were handed much of what they have on a silver platter and then punch out at anyone else that did not get a silver platter and chalk it up to personal failure
They were lucky to be born in a period of relative wealth, and most don’t get why it’s more difficult these days, but they are not responsible for the fact that you get generations have it harder then them.
Those who have all the power are very happy when the plebs fight among themselves you know.
A lot of boomers stand in the way of change and are ULTRA shitty about it
True but also who was voting in Regan? John Howard? Everyone was happy to vote in the social rapists for a cheap paycheque as long as their specific demographic wasn’t getting raped and now we’re all paying the price.
but they are not responsible for the fact that you get generations have it harder then them.
Are you kidding? The people who are responsible are almost all boomers
My boomer parents were lucky enough to buy a house and then mortgage renwel rate came in at 21% there was no silver platter, it was fries on paper plates and beans lots of beans
Also when we say that things were handed on a silver platter, we need to factor in the western oppression over the east.
The point I am trying to make here is just to ensure Western bommers have it on a silver plate, the Eastern boomers had to suffer for it. Now we live in a world where everyone except Western boomers are suffering! The hints capitalism being shit was evident and the west did not do anything to change it now is the time for a fresh new world
Like the feather of Mario World, the cycle of good/bad times and good/bad men/people, there is the oscillation, but a general upward status.
It’s been generally downwards for about 25 years now actually, still waiting on that oscillation. Assuming that just because things kept getting better up until the 90s so they must start getting better again soon is the kind of attitude that’s enabled capitalism to run rampant and ruin our society and our planet.
Assuming that just because things kept getting better up until the 90s so they must start getting better again soon is the kind of attitude that’s enabled capitalism to run rampant and ruin our society and our planet.
Fucking right
Trump’s a cop. We’re doing something. Wheat, weeds, remember like We said We would do?
The Earth doesn’t exist. Everything reconciles with the Omega. Focus on you and the entanglements keeping you from being the one stopping “the downward,” as you perceive it. Of course, that involves defending your position.
If they weren’t yanking up the drawbridge and making sure the rest of us have to pay for their pensions and to sit around doing nothing but collect rent, I’d agree.
(this is a somewhat tongue-in-cheek look at some reporting/analysis)
Hard disagree.
The boomer generation’s biggest crime was being a frog in a pot that’s only just coming to boil. The leopards were still in the distance and life for the most part looked good if you lack the ability to see beneath the surface.
Most people lack this ability. They are incapable of making abstract contextual links and stumble through their lives relatively blind to how the world works. Ignorant.
For most Boomers their ignorance does not make them guilty. Just foolish and weak. Fallible. That’s not enough to lay blame at their feet.
The criminals have and only ever will be the ridiculously wealthy; who’ve orchestrated this mess for wealth, power and hubris. Who’ve stood on the backs of all workers for all written history. Who’ve caused untold suffering and death. Our ire belongs with them.
Division along any other lines only serves those wealthy bastards reaping the rewards from our division.
You write as if the billionaires are the only crooks, there’s a long line of millionaires eager to commit crimes for their billionaire overlords and an even longer line of middle class folks desperate to do anything illegal or not to please their millionaire bosses. It wasn’t only millionaires that voted for brexit or voted for trump in the US.
Most of whom you speak of haven’t done anything “illegal” at least not based on our current laws. Immoral? Some of them yes, some have been complicit in some ways. But they are largely ignorant.
There’s also a difference between doing something immoral to try and survive a system you cannot change and make a good and moderate life for yourself and your family, and seeking power and wealth beyond any conceivable need. You don’t seem to be able to distinguish between the two. You see the middle class as in the same culpability as the Kings and Queens at the top with real power to make change. That’s very worrying.
Theres also a difference between being fooled by those more evil and more intelligent and cunning than they can conceive of; and being the one doing the manipulation and evil. I look at these people with pity for they know not what they do. You seem incapable of differentiating them from the masters that manipulate them.
You also seem in a great hurry to cast your anger and vengeance at a great number of people. In fact, perhaps even a large majority of people from what you’ve said.
With that in mind, in your new world, would we put all middle class families and above to the wall? Or in prison? Where is your line?
My approach would be to remove the Oligarchs only. The ones who have done demonstrable harm to the people and planet. To take their vast resources and assets and do good with it; to concentrate on righting the wrongs. Then legislate to prevent any similar situation ever happening again.
I would not want to live in a world where you paint your anger and project your trauma so broadly. It will cause generational trauma and pain for so many. It will tar many undeserving with the same brush. And it will fundamentally set us back as a species.
And fundamentally at its core, isnt logic or reason, its anger and pain writ large. I would want nothing to do with that awful and horrific future you speak of.
You’re just naive, the average person does not give a single fuck about their countrymen and will do literally anything for a million bucks. Trump is a symptom, but the disease is the banal greed of the average American, led by the boomer generation.
Yeah i want nothing to do with this future either, but it’s already here and it’s going to get a lot worse before it gets better. You wouldn’t have liked me if we spoke a hundred years ago either, but the rise of fascism and the second world war were coming either way.
Yes that’s exactly it, they’re ignorant to what could be. They’ve grown up in a world that nurtures greed; and settled for it because of manipulation by the system and circumstance.
But where you see them as irredeemable due to that ignorance, I see them as needing leading and showing a different path. Where you see them as in need of punishment for their ignorance and mistakes, I see them in need of educating through compassion.
Just because the system encourages psychopaths to the top of the pile doesn’t change the fact that they only make up 3% of the population. Most people, given the right chance, the right conditions, the right nurturing are fundamentally capable of good.
You’ve given up and welcome blood and death; I have hope. Hope isn’t naive, it’s all we have. The alternative is to give in to fear or anger like you have and welcome a century of pain for everyone you know and love.
And when I say your future, I mean your future. There’s this future we live in now and your proposed future. Both involve pain, suffering and inhumanity. Just of differing conditions. Whether its a Marxist-Leninist continual revolution, or a capitalists fascist state, the pain, the death, suffering and trauma it causes are the exact same.
So if that’s what you truly want. More of the same; just with different systems, you’re no better than our capitalist masters. Congrats. You’re the new problem. Not the solution.
But I suppose at least you’ll be the one wielding the stick this time eh? Fucking honestly.
To quote Luke Skywalker: “Let go of your hate”.
It blinds you.
This future is the complete opposite of what I want, but that’s what boomers are voting for. They ruined this country so they can have shinier gold clubs in retirement. Im not proposing any future at all, my proposition is that when you get hit by the fourth once in a lifetime crisis your boomer landlord will evict you the minute it’s legal. (Oh btw they’re actively pushing year-round to make it easier to evict people.)
Yes we all need hope, the hope is to get out before it gets ugly on the streets.
Por que no los dos
Who do you think it is that voted for unrestrained capitalism and has been its most ardent crusaders for 50+ years?
Boomers are a big part of the problem
who do you think threw whom under the bus for that?
Mostly it’s that in the 1950s, most of the world’s population was still pre-industrial. Industrization massively increases a country’s wealth and ability to bid for resources.
Now the whole world is industrialized, but the planet is still the same planet. The same barrel of oil can go to a refinery worker by Americans in Louisiana or workers in any number of countries that were completely undeveloped backwaters back in 1950.
Every single time I’ve known a friend who got the house that they were renting rugpulled it has been a boomer selling. Every. Single. Time.
Like yeah, my mom is a boomer and I love them dearly. The generation is rotten, and gen x isn’t much better.
“Unrestrained capitalism” is boomer pension funds acting within the bounds of policies that boomers voted to optimize for the greatest return on investment for those pension funds over the course of their life expectancy.
I’m 60. I’m not sure I could get another job using my own advice either.
I am working with several people trying to break into my field and it’s almost impossible. Mostly because it’s a bit of niche field, and almost everyone in it has decades of experience.
It’s considered a second entry profession so most people did something else first. There are now diplomas and certifications for young people interested in the field. As a profession we talk about how to ladder younger people in, but struggle with what entry level looks like. A few years work experience and a professional certification just doesn’t stack up in an interview against a few decades of experience.
Sounds like the company needs to create a lower level position at lower pay to get the less qualified people in. Then you can promote from that pool when you need the higher level positions.
Don’t quote me on this but I think you’re cooking! We need a name for a role that makes it easy for people to enter our industry, maybe we can call it something like entry level!
🤣
The issue with him is people with standard exp can’t get standard roles due to too many overqualified applicants.
But yeah. Opening up entry level roles for people with standard exp sucks.
You’ve got it. If I need someone with logistics experience do I take someone straight out of school who did some a co-op term with a county emergency service or someone with 15 years in the military maintaining supply lines. And if I want to prioritize civilian experience there is a whole pack of police, paras, and firefighters looking for first retirement at 40 who can leverage that experience.
Shit, I’m only 39 and don’t think anyone should try to get into my career field now. Tech’s entry level is all but gone. I don’t know who the companies plan to promote to senior roles in the future when their senior people retire…
It was rough getting into IT in my area shortly after 2008. It’s gotten worse, way worse and I know because the managers complained all the time they couldn’t find someone experienced and didn’t want to train anyone.
See that’s the thing… senior people are gonna be “replaced by AI…” so there’s no need.
/s
You don’t get it. You’re not supposed to apply in the field you worked before, or that you’re good at.
The whole point is use boomer advice to apply to the jobs that are out there, with the salaries that are out there.
The whole point is that the job market sucks and you don’t get to choose because there’s more job applicants than positions.
I’m on the side that hires. It’s ugly over here as well. We still do resumes and I screen manually - yes I actually read them because I don’t even trust HR to screen forget about AI. We get 300+ resumes for an opening and every one of them is a person with a story. At the end of the process I will have one very happy person, 5 feeling they were so close, and ~290 thinking nobody read their stuff.
Wow. Thats just crazy.
Makes me think there’s too many people for the jobs we have. I think we need ubi. Those who want to work to make extra can. But I bet if we had ubi you’d have 20 applicants instead of 300.
Yeah, as a millennial I can feel this. Graduated in 2008 from university and couldn’t find a single job in my field. Couldn’t find a job out of my field. Couldn’t even get hired by fucking Taco Bell.
Eventually sold my body for money.
Did you get good money for it at least?
What
Didn’t have a vehicle?
Just walk in ,demand to see the Big Boss, look him in the eye and ask for a job!
That was among the nuggets of whizdum from my Silent Gen parents.
Even in late 2000s companies were just doing resume collecting at internship or career fairs.
Hell think king of the hill was even doing episodes of how hard it was to get jobs it during its early seasons. When wallmart causes every business to go out of business
Next, make the Boomer buy a house without using their current assets as a down payment.
You don’t even need to be a Boomer for this to be true. I’m 38. The only reason my partner and I own a house as nice as the one we currently do is because I got on the property market pretty early. I was in a place to buy a cheap town home in 2012. I put $3k down on an FHA mortgage on a $92k townhouse, and that got me out of renting. I’ve made plenty of extra payments over the years, even paid the mortgage on that townhouse twice. Since then I got married, and we moved across the country.
But yeah, we recently moved into our third home (we own only one home.) And we bought it for $600k with $400k down. Some of that is from ordinary principal payments. Some from early payments. But the vast majority of that $600k was from simple price appreciation. We bought at the bottom of the market and have rode it all the way up. And yeah, there is no way we could afford our current place if we had to buy without that equity we’ve built up.
Yeah, make sure they really understand the economic realities facing the younger generations.
The best advice is still the oldest - networking. The current system is meant to filter out all but the only candidate that meets every single qualification perfectly, and the problem is exacerbated by the advice to send out as many applications as possible per day. These days, apps are generated by AI, and reviewed by AI.
If you don’t meet the qualifications, don’t waste your time, and crowd the field for those who might be qualified. Instead, go to a meeting of professionals from your sector, volunteer for an associated event, join the industry golf league, etc., and get to know the local players in the industry you’re targeting. It might take a while, but they are much likelier to hire someone they already know, than some random stranger out of 10,000 resumes.
‘want a job? Go work unpaid and then maybe you might have a chance’ Really solid advice for people who can’t even afford to live on the job they have.
I didn’t say work unpaid, I said to go to meetings, play golf, etc. I mentioned volunteering for an event, but that’s limited, it’s not working an actual job for free.
Networking is important for much more than just getting a job, that’s why people still do it when they already have a good job they love. They do it to learn more, expand their influence, etc. Even if it doesn’t directly lead to a job, it will make you more familiar with your industry, and the players in it, which is important for young workers.
When you are unemployed, you are better off trying ANYTHING, than sitting at home, proud of yourself for not letting anyone take advantage of you. They’d have to know you even exist for them to do that.
TL;DR: be part of the ‘in-group’ of people in your industry, and Dog help you if you’re not the same race/class/gender/ideology/etc. or if you aren’t particularly extroverted and charismatic.
Do you want a job or not? Yeah, you are going to have to get to know the companies and people in your industry, and what they are up to. It’s called a CAREER.
And frankly, you actually have a bit of an edge if you’ve got something different going on, like a minority or a disability. Companies are looking to diversify, no matter what MAGA wants, and hiring professionals aren’t on the lookout for straight white men these days.
And depending on the job, charismatic isn’t that big of a deal. My brother is a bona-fide genius, but has almost no personality at all. He’s never had a problem with employment because EVERYBODY in his industry knows who he is, and would love to poach him. Not because he’s a straight white guy, or because he has charisma, but because he is well-known in his industry because he’s networked with enough people.
You don’t have to do these things, you can just work a lifetime of one dreary retail/ fast food job after another, but if you want a GOOD job, then yeah, you’re going to have to be part of the “in-group” in your industry, and networking is the way to do it, especially when you are young.
I have never met every requirement to jobs I have got. Also AI isn’t always being used, smaller companies may well be manually reviewing them. My last application that resulted in an interview and job offer was to a company of about 30 people, no hint of AI anywhere.
“It’s not what you know, it’s who you blow.”
