Pre-Trump US is over. You can’t undo the damage he’s caused and go back to how it has been.
If there are fair elections and the Dems take the House and Senate investigations will begin and his crony’s will close ranks because they are just as culpable. Dems have no interest in a presidential candidate who is just going to ignore the crimes of the past administration like Obama or a wish to return to norms like Biden.
The left will want these people prosecuted and jailed when we return to power. The right will do whatever it takes to stay in power to prevent this from happening. The oligarchs will do anything to preserve their grasp on both parties so they don’t become targets.
No matter how it plays out the US will be a turbulent place for at least a decade after the 2028 election.
Meanwhile the right owns the supreme court and a lot of lower court judges, so good luck with that prosecution. It will drag out for years and result in nothing.
The lasting side effect is going to be the rest of the world continuing to think of the US as a joke and all the trade relations they are building now. When the US settles back down they will never again weild the power they once had.
Vote blue no matter who. If we can win enough of a majority in the senate and the house over the next two elections we may be able to expand and pack the Supreme Court.
When primaries start the following needs to be the litmus test for all candidates.
1 Do you support prosecution of criminals within the Trump/Republican regime.
Do you support packing the Supreme Court.
Edit: Apparently what I’m asking for above is too radical for this sub and I can’t reply to comments. Please see my edit below for my response to only voting for leftists.
You’re not going to get a leftist Dem elected in red states like Iowa or Texas.
By adopting the stance that you won’t vote for a non leftist in the Dem party you will guarantee Republicans and facists control of the senate and house and you will remain a ineffective minority while the right clocks up more Supreme Court seats and makes it impossible to vote for any left wing or Dem. Candidate
to be fair us has never been leftists, or had a significant “left” voting or politician, its the most right wing western country out there. we have schumer, hakeem,newsom who are center right, and most of the people in the houses are around the same leaning.
too late, its not even the midterms yet, texas, lousiania, tennesee, florida and other gop states already gerrymandering harder now, and cancelling elections.
It’s over a year into Trump’s term and it’s still crickets from the leftists so I’m voting democrat in the midterms so we can at least slow down the damage he’s doing.
Pretty sure leftists have been more outspoken than liberals. On the day the court stripped away black representation in congress Chuck Schumer was praising Trump for some stupid horse shit. There’s a debate between who’s worse between do nothing democrats and fascists who accelerate the pain and force people awake. They’re both relatively valid views, but the primaries are the most important election in both arguments.
Meh, the US was founded by a bunch of slave owning wealthy protofascist genocidal fucks. You can’t really recover from country designed by the wealthy for the wealthy.
Yea. This country was doomed from the start. This is just the inevitable end to our fucked up society. The world is better off without this Imperialist shithole helping to rot the world.
the propagandas worked so well, people dont support any progressive developments in the USA. Its just a slow death/decline for the usa going on for like 50+years. the gop is the bleeding wound, and the DNC is the temporary bandaids.
Try the last 100 years. The people should have revolted instead of accepting the New Deal concession package. They managed to pacify us to keep the capitalist economy running and then spent the next century dismantling the foundations of resistance.
I was just commenting that pre-Trumplethinskin is an imaginary state as the US was fascist before we had a name for it. You can’t harken back to a supposed better time when it never existed except inside the head of a misinformed person.
Even if we accept that, doesn’t the existence of somewhat functional democracies that also started as oligarchies refute the statement that “you can’t really recover”?
I believe they are saying that since the previous state was not functional, returning to it would not count as recovery and one needs to fix underlying problems that existed for most/all of the USA’s history.
In git terms: Reverting the branch to the pre-2016 state will not be enough because the issue was caused by old technical debt and one will have to refactor that as well.
No, I reject your musing. Numerous studies have shown the will of the people is a false premise. We live in a fascist world that uses democracy as a window dressing for oligarchy.
Pre-Trump US is over. You can’t undo the damage he’s caused and go back to how it has been.
If there are fair elections and the Dems take the House and Senate investigations will begin and his crony’s will close ranks because they are just as culpable. Dems have no interest in a presidential candidate who is just going to ignore the crimes of the past administration like Obama or a wish to return to norms like Biden.
The left will want these people prosecuted and jailed when we return to power. The right will do whatever it takes to stay in power to prevent this from happening. The oligarchs will do anything to preserve their grasp on both parties so they don’t become targets.
No matter how it plays out the US will be a turbulent place for at least a decade after the 2028 election.
Meanwhile the right owns the supreme court and a lot of lower court judges, so good luck with that prosecution. It will drag out for years and result in nothing.
The lasting side effect is going to be the rest of the world continuing to think of the US as a joke and all the trade relations they are building now. When the US settles back down they will never again weild the power they once had.
they also own ALL THE MSMs to sway conservatives on thier side 100%,
Vote blue no matter who. If we can win enough of a majority in the senate and the house over the next two elections we may be able to expand and pack the Supreme Court.
When primaries start the following needs to be the litmus test for all candidates.
1 Do you support prosecution of criminals within the Trump/Republican regime.
Edit: Apparently what I’m asking for above is too radical for this sub and I can’t reply to comments. Please see my edit below for my response to only voting for leftists.
You’re not going to get a leftist Dem elected in red states like Iowa or Texas.
By adopting the stance that you won’t vote for a non leftist in the Dem party you will guarantee Republicans and facists control of the senate and house and you will remain a ineffective minority while the right clocks up more Supreme Court seats and makes it impossible to vote for any left wing or Dem. Candidate
The primaries have been going on for a while. Not enough progressives challenged so-called moderate dems.
*Vote in the primaries so you have a chance at a leftist dem, then vote blue no matter who.
to be fair us has never been leftists, or had a significant “left” voting or politician, its the most right wing western country out there. we have schumer, hakeem,newsom who are center right, and most of the people in the houses are around the same leaning.
too late, its not even the midterms yet, texas, lousiania, tennesee, florida and other gop states already gerrymandering harder now, and cancelling elections.
Worse than canceling elections, they are voiding elections.
It’s over a year into Trump’s term and it’s still crickets from the leftists so I’m voting democrat in the midterms so we can at least slow down the damage he’s doing.
Pretty sure leftists have been more outspoken than liberals. On the day the court stripped away black representation in congress Chuck Schumer was praising Trump for some stupid horse shit. There’s a debate between who’s worse between do nothing democrats and fascists who accelerate the pain and force people awake. They’re both relatively valid views, but the primaries are the most important election in both arguments.
Meh, the US was founded by a bunch of slave owning wealthy protofascist genocidal fucks. You can’t really recover from country designed by the wealthy for the wealthy.
specifically racist, white ,mysogynistic people. remember nazi party really started in the USA, germany just took pointers from our segregation laws.
Yea. This country was doomed from the start. This is just the inevitable end to our fucked up society. The world is better off without this Imperialist shithole helping to rot the world.
the propagandas worked so well, people dont support any progressive developments in the USA. Its just a slow death/decline for the usa going on for like 50+years. the gop is the bleeding wound, and the DNC is the temporary bandaids.
Try the last 100 years. The people should have revolted instead of accepting the New Deal concession package. They managed to pacify us to keep the capitalist economy running and then spent the next century dismantling the foundations of resistance.
How’s that? Every current democracy, including the decently functioning ones, started as an oligarchic system of some kind.
I was just commenting that pre-Trumplethinskin is an imaginary state as the US was fascist before we had a name for it. You can’t harken back to a supposed better time when it never existed except inside the head of a misinformed person.
Even if we accept that, doesn’t the existence of somewhat functional democracies that also started as oligarchies refute the statement that “you can’t really recover”?
I believe they are saying that since the previous state was not functional, returning to it would not count as recovery and one needs to fix underlying problems that existed for most/all of the USA’s history.
In git terms: Reverting the branch to the pre-2016 state will not be enough because the issue was caused by old technical debt and one will have to refactor that as well.
No, I reject your musing. Numerous studies have shown the will of the people is a false premise. We live in a fascist world that uses democracy as a window dressing for oligarchy.
Which study, for example?
https://act.represent.us/sign/problempoll-fba
That’s a US-only study.
You gotta be careful or you’ll cut yourself on all that edge
Please, that is just the tip of the iceberg. I will gladly bring receipts.
And yet you still didn’t link a non-us study you claim there are numerous examples of.