As someone with aphantasia and no internal monologe it makes sense to me.
So many people tell me their brains just send them images and monologe without them “thinking” it themselves first. Like to me they are reacting to what their brain is telling them. And that’s what is required to be schizophrenic.
…i have no internal monologue and i can conceptualise spaces and environments but not images; i hallucinate all the time, mostly sounds…
What kind of sound hallucinations?
Like people or yourself talking to you?
Does it sound like you’re hearing it from your ears?
People can project their mind’s eye image into reality. It’s most likely schizophrenic people can’t control it and would project things they didn’t know they were doing. We know it’s not there and it’s definitely in their mind but they don’t realize that they are conjuring it.
Same with internal monologe.
You have inner speech? I can talk to myself. But someone with an internal monologue they are not talking to themselves like me. Their brain is talking to them, they do not consciously pick each word.
…random disruptive sounds, peculiar phrases in strange voices, typically loud interjections but seldom anything visual; over time i’ve grown fairly proficient at recognising the hallucinations for what they are…yes, they’re sounds like i’d hear from my ears but at the same time they carry similar resonance to sounds i play in my mind, and learning to distinguish that difference in acoustic character helps to identify them…
…i don’t have an internal monologue orchestrating my thoughts but i can recite, read, sing, or imagine sounds, music, and acoustic environments in my mind with perfect pitch…
“Seldom anything visual”
Like you’d think you saw a black cat out of the corner of your eye and then you look and nothing is there? Or you see the black cat actually sitting there and know it’s not real?
I understand your inner voice it seems pretty much like mine.
Do you get earworms? Or is your inner voice completely voluntary?
…i don’t really get earworms unless i’m playing them deliberately…
…the hallucinations appear real and range from subtle peripheral perception to full-focused attention, but they’re unexpected and incongruous with my immediate environment, so recognising them is akin recognising a dream for what it is…
Yeah, kinda. To explain it very simplified, you have a thinking brain, and an emotional brain, for example you are not either of these things, you are (we are all) observing those brain processes. Your thinking brain is designed to churn away, and similarly your emotional brain. In my interpretation, some people’s parts are just louder and more vibrant. Which can have pros and cons, it’s way more manageable if it’s not so loud it’s domineering. Having a thinking brain, that’s essentially grown and formed by all of the input, until now, churning away loudly, isn’t really a description of schizophrenia. It’s more, a depth of perception of reality, both based on internal and external perceptions. This article is talking about the relationship between the ocular reception, as interpreted by the brain, though, so not really the thinking brain, or emotional brain.
I have bipolar and it feels like my brain just tosses things at me. I get some really good ideas and I am quick with jokes because i don’t even think, my brain is an absurdity machine.
Do you have aphantasia?
I feel like people with aphantasia are less likely to be bipolar because we do not play emotional memories with images.
From my understanding people can change their moods thinking of a beach? Like “Imagine yourself on a beach” and it could make a non-aphant more relaxed and calm?
I feel like my emotions are pure in the moment. Yes I could recall an event that gave me an emotion but it’s nothing like experiencing it in the moment.
Interesting, though no, I have no trouble with mental imagery.
Trouble as in poor quality or too many mental images?
You feel your mood shift the most with new mental images?
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I’m not sure.
I can not smell things without actually smelling them. Same with taste.
I can imagine my hand rubbing on different grit sandpaper and know how they would feel differently but I don’t “feel” it.
I can play songs in my head with sounds that are like the actual sounds but it’s similar to humming or whistling in my head. It’s not like I hit play and just listen. I don’t get earworms.
…yeah, odor, taste, touch, and vision i recognise but i can’t just recall arbitrarily; more than once i’ve become separated from my wife out in public and realised that if someone were to ask me to describe her i’d have no idea how to do so…
…i can hear her voice in my mind, though…
Yeah I’m the same way. Always wondered how people were able to give such detailed information to police sketch artists.
Like I could work with one but at best it would be them drawing something close and me going “ehh this part and this part isn’t right” if I got a really good look at the person.
Do you get earworms?
I feel in a way I’d have to practice their voice in my head like I was trying to impersonate them vocally, just my mind could make any sound. But I myself couldn’t talk in a New York accent because I don’t understand what all to change and when. If I heard a New Yorker say a sentence I could repeat it back in my head the same way
So its the horrors we see that causes it.
That’s the most logical thing I’ve heard all year.
We get frenzied when our insight is too high
Awwoooooo
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Maybe the blind schizophrenics just don’t ever know.
If they are hearing hallucinations, how would they know they aren’t real? It’s not like they can see that there’s nobody saying these things.
Schizophrenia produces many symptoms other than hallucinations and causes profound cognitive and social dysfunction. Poverty of thought, delusions, and disordered thinking and speech among others. There would be signs others could see.
dude they’re blind, not stupid.
schizophrenics often can’t tell easily by themselves that they are schizophrenics, if a blind person comments about hearing things others might simply write it off as their (the blind one’s) acute and great sense of hearing that the blind developed through necessity that they (others non blind) don’t have and thus can’t hear
That implies that schizophrenic people ARE stupid for believing the things that they experience.
Which is much more offensive and disrespectful than what I said.
no, you said being blind would specifically prevent them from realizing their symptoms in contrast to seeing people.
Not “in contrast to”, but as an additional challenge.
how does what that person said imply that?
No it doesn’t.
The sighted schizophrenics don’t know their hallucinations aren’t real. It’s always an external diagnosis.
Not for everyone, I know my hallucinations aren’t real, and sought out help myself.
Right, I should have known better than to use “always” there. “Often” would have been safer. The point was that the number of senses you have don’t matter much, as the brain is plenty capable of building a full hallucinated experience with whatever senses you’re used to using.
I’m happy that you sought help, and I hope you’re doing well
Oh, I know. I’ve spent years trying to explain to my brother that people aren’t actually standing outside his window yelling insults at him.
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If you know you’re alone at home and then hear voices, that might be one way. There are ways to distinguish the presence of people beyond sight.
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Blindness is much more than total blindness, which only describes a minority of blind people. There are different definitions, but the World Health Organization puts the definition as less than 3/60 or a visual field of less than 10 degrees in the better-seeing eye. That basically means that if you need to be more than 20 times closer to an object to be able to see the same level of detail, or you have almost no peripheral vision, you qualify.
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Well, asking someone else who is around would be a good way, for one thing.
How often do you check with others to confirm that something you just experienced was real?
“Do you hear that or is it just my tinnitus?” is a fairly common question in my household.
Don’t be a moron.
They also can learn to echolocate to the point the vision area of the brain process it.
When I was in grade school, we had a music teacher who was blind from birth. If someone was jacking around in class, she knew where all the students sat and could identify the culprit by relying entirely on her hearing. It was impressive.
I mean, she’s a music teacher so she probably recognized the voices.
I read the anecdote as identifying location of any horseplay-related sound, not just voices.
Exactly. Voices would have been easy to identify. This lady could pinpoint the source of random noises with an incredible degree of accuracy.
So that’s where they got the idea for Toph. Its a real thing! Huh the more you know
I remember long ago, watching a show where a blind teenage boy used echolocation to skateboard around. I thought it was the coolest thing.
Now That’s Incredible! ™
I had a cocker spaniel that went blind from glaucoma, and he got around much better than you would expect. I guess dog hearing is probably pretty good for that
Wow, that is wild!
Cool! Maybe schizophrenia is when the visual cortex gets leaky and starts interpreting thoughts as sighs.
Related to synesthesia, perhaps?
You somehow forgot a whole word in the title.
Hehe and somehow you are the only person to let me know. Maybe everyone else missed it too. Thanks
my most common type of typo by far, and yet worse, it is usually words like “not” that I forget, resulting in funny although concerning miscommunications
