There are a bunch of rich pedophiles with guns pointed at you just out of frame. Play nice for a with the with the crazy antisemite, use her, do not sit there prognosticating on how your farts smell and how much MTG and JK Rowling suck.
Because Greene and other right-wing anti-Semites are using you much more than you’re using them.
They want views, they want attention, they want a left-wing audience, because that gives them more people to recruit and more opportunities to spread their racist, bigoted, generally shitty views.
And everybody’s attention span is finite. The more space the left gives to Greene, and Carlson, and other right-wing propagandists, the less space is available for actual Palestinians and their advocates to speak. We need to hear from the people most impacted by Israel’s actions, not from racists jumping on the anti-Israel bandwagon because they hate Jews.
You are not immune to propaganda. Nobody is. So don’t platform right-wing propagandists. KTHX.
Can’t even do something so basic as flipping a useful idiot. The DNC is truely hopeless. Spineless, idealistic children pretending this is a fairytale that will work out if you stick to your ideals, work hard and believe in the power of friendship
She already flipped. That doesn’t mean we have to talk to her or be around her, because it’s super fresh. We should only do that after she has repaired most of the damage she has done, but the toll is massive, and she still holds and announces a lot of stupid ideals that cause damage to innocent people right now. Remember she did this just 5 years ago and her attitude about any of that hasn’t really changed. (It’s that video of her harassing a school shooting survivor). She still does and says shit like that, it’s so fresh.
The fact you want to “include her in the table” just because she changed her opinion in one single thing for a few weeks is insane. It comes across as you trying to sabotage the people, as if you want them to let their guard down, become easy to manipulate and so on. Introduce more Fettermans, trojan horses. Not saying that’s what you are doing, I do understand your position, you are not bad, you are forgiving quickly, that takes a lot of strength after seeing what these MAGAs have said and done every holy day since 2016, including the thousands of hundreds of deaths their greed and policies have caused. I’m just gonna say: be attentive. These people are psychopaths and decent enough at acting.
And if you use whataboutism with Graham Platner, it won’t hit the same. Platner has shown growth for over a decade. What he did in the past is heavy, it’s difficult to forgive, but we still need to learn how to measure redemption properly; we can’t hold grudges forever. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep an eye on Platner if he wins. The moment he begins to show us that he lied, the people should bring justice and stop him asap. We just have to normalize that healthy and obligatory level of aggression we need as a society to be able to put corruption in jail as soon as it shows its face, before it corrupts its surroundings.
Let her do her thing; if you agree with what she is saying, do not interfere. If she says something insane, criticize it. We shouldn’t let her influence us, though. I’d highlight the word “influence,” it’s different from listening, which we can and should do, as long as it is productive and not her usual bullshit, which again, hasn’t changed much yet. That’s all.
What part of “the California wildfires were started by space lasers controlled by the Jews” was antiemetic? /s (because we’re are living in that kind of timeline)
How many antisemmies does one earn if they subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the laser wasn’t controlled by space Jews, just built by space Jews?
I agree, but she’s still useful. We shouldn’t just give up that utility because she’s a horrible person. The other side is doing whatever they can to hold on to power, and we need to use whatever we can to stop them. Being too pure is how we let them take power in the first place.
she’s still useful. We shouldn’t just give up that utility because she’s a horrible person.
Idk, that strategy can definitely backfire. I’m sure significant chunks of the GOP regretted backing the ‘useful idiot’ Trump once he grew too powerful to control. Maybe what we should do with their conspiracy theorists, grifters and propagandists, is starve them of attention?
Being too pure is how we let them take power in the first place.
Was it though? Was Biden too pure? Or are you saying that this all comes down to “PC culture”?
I really fear this angle. “we can use her” will effectively sane-wash this person and make her seem more reasonable to the less informed voters. I don’t want a MTG presidency.
Never mind the GOP. Hillary fucking Clinton spent millions of dollars promoting Trump in the run up to the 2016 election, because she wanted to make the Republicans look more radical and dangerous, and Trump was the most radical, dangerous candidate in the race.
In a review of Clinton’s 32 general election TV ads, the Associated Press found that 24 of those ads show or mention Trump. The majority of those 24 ads feature raw footage of him rather than others opining on his words and actions.
Interestingly, the title of the mentioned AP article is “Clinton’s ‘nasty’ Trump ads are mostly his own words” - it doesn’t criticize the campaign’s choice at all.
Maybe what we should do with their conspiracy theorists, grifters and propagandists, is starve them of attention?
That is not something we can control. That’s in them, not us.
Was it though? Was Biden too pure? Or are you saying that this all comes down to “PC culture”?
He was too “safe” for sure. The left rarely is willing to get it’s hands dirty. The right always is. They will use anything when it’s useful to them, no matter how dirty it may be. If there’s a tool that’s useful to us, we need to be willing to pick it up.
Now, this all should be couched in language like “if the crazy space lazer lady understood this, you should be able to.” It should always be reminding them she’s insane, just that they must be too if she’s this far ahead of them.
Useful how? Harris was wrong to spend so many resources trying to attract Republicans that she thought could be swayed away from Trump. She converted very few voters, and lost a lot of voters on the left. Why should we repeat that same mistake?
Using MTG aligns you with an antisemite, and if it attracts anyone to your cause, it will be more antisemites.
Not trying to attract them. To spread apathy. We need to point out that even his craziest supporters can see through him. The only ones not speaking out are the ones benefiting from it.
If they don’t want to support a candidate on the left, that’s fine. We need to just make them not vote. The right has trolls constantly saying people shouldn’t vote for any Democrat candidate, no matter how closely they align with their views. Even AOC isn’t enough seemingly. We need to be willing to spread the same apathy to them.
She absolutely is, but in this instance she is taking about Israel and she is right.
There’s that insistence of Israel to equate Israel as the same thing as Jews and then when someone criticizes policies of the country call it anti semitism.
MTG is absolutely an antisemite and not someone we need to give more airtime too. Don’t care if she’s railing against people I don’t like.
PERFECT use of that meme format! 😘👌🏼
There are a bunch of rich pedophiles with guns pointed at you just out of frame. Play nice for a with the with the crazy antisemite, use her, do not sit there prognosticating on how your farts smell and how much MTG and JK Rowling suck.
No, do not
Because Greene and other right-wing anti-Semites are using you much more than you’re using them.
They want views, they want attention, they want a left-wing audience, because that gives them more people to recruit and more opportunities to spread their racist, bigoted, generally shitty views.
And everybody’s attention span is finite. The more space the left gives to Greene, and Carlson, and other right-wing propagandists, the less space is available for actual Palestinians and their advocates to speak. We need to hear from the people most impacted by Israel’s actions, not from racists jumping on the anti-Israel bandwagon because they hate Jews.
You are not immune to propaganda. Nobody is. So don’t platform right-wing propagandists. KTHX.
You die with your ideals intact. I shall… Forget you entirely in a day
That sounds very sexual and disgusting because it’s about Marjorie Taylor Greene, no thank you. I gagged irl.
Can’t even do something so basic as flipping a useful idiot. The DNC is truely hopeless. Spineless, idealistic children pretending this is a fairytale that will work out if you stick to your ideals, work hard and believe in the power of friendship
She already flipped. That doesn’t mean we have to talk to her or be around her, because it’s super fresh. We should only do that after she has repaired most of the damage she has done, but the toll is massive, and she still holds and announces a lot of stupid ideals that cause damage to innocent people right now. Remember she did this just 5 years ago and her attitude about any of that hasn’t really changed. (It’s that video of her harassing a school shooting survivor). She still does and says shit like that, it’s so fresh.
The fact you want to “include her in the table” just because she changed her opinion in one single thing for a few weeks is insane. It comes across as you trying to sabotage the people, as if you want them to let their guard down, become easy to manipulate and so on. Introduce more Fettermans, trojan horses. Not saying that’s what you are doing, I do understand your position, you are not bad, you are forgiving quickly, that takes a lot of strength after seeing what these MAGAs have said and done every holy day since 2016, including the thousands of hundreds of deaths their greed and policies have caused. I’m just gonna say: be attentive. These people are psychopaths and decent enough at acting.
And if you use whataboutism with Graham Platner, it won’t hit the same. Platner has shown growth for over a decade. What he did in the past is heavy, it’s difficult to forgive, but we still need to learn how to measure redemption properly; we can’t hold grudges forever. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t keep an eye on Platner if he wins. The moment he begins to show us that he lied, the people should bring justice and stop him asap. We just have to normalize that healthy and obligatory level of aggression we need as a society to be able to put corruption in jail as soon as it shows its face, before it corrupts its surroundings.
Let her do her thing; if you agree with what she is saying, do not interfere. If she says something insane, criticize it. We shouldn’t let her influence us, though. I’d highlight the word “influence,” it’s different from listening, which we can and should do, as long as it is productive and not her usual bullshit, which again, hasn’t changed much yet. That’s all.
The only sensible thing in your comment is the first sentence.
If you can’t get along with or make use of an enemy long enough to deal with an existential threat to all life on earth we’re doomed
What part of “the California wildfires were started by space lasers controlled by the Jews” was antiemetic? /s (because we’re are living in that kind of timeline)
How many antisemmies does one earn if they subscribe to the conspiracy theory that the laser wasn’t controlled by space Jews, just built by space Jews?
I agree, but she’s still useful. We shouldn’t just give up that utility because she’s a horrible person. The other side is doing whatever they can to hold on to power, and we need to use whatever we can to stop them. Being too pure is how we let them take power in the first place.
Idk, that strategy can definitely backfire. I’m sure significant chunks of the GOP regretted backing the ‘useful idiot’ Trump once he grew too powerful to control. Maybe what we should do with their conspiracy theorists, grifters and propagandists, is starve them of attention?
Was it though? Was Biden too pure? Or are you saying that this all comes down to “PC culture”?
I really fear this angle. “we can use her” will effectively sane-wash this person and make her seem more reasonable to the less informed voters. I don’t want a MTG presidency.
Never mind the GOP. Hillary fucking Clinton spent millions of dollars promoting Trump in the run up to the 2016 election, because she wanted to make the Republicans look more radical and dangerous, and Trump was the most radical, dangerous candidate in the race.
Thanks, Hillary. Good call.
I guess you’re referring to this?
Hillary Clinton 2016 presidential campaign (Wikipedia):
Interestingly, the title of the mentioned AP article is “Clinton’s ‘nasty’ Trump ads are mostly his own words” - it doesn’t criticize the campaign’s choice at all.
That is not something we can control. That’s in them, not us.
He was too “safe” for sure. The left rarely is willing to get it’s hands dirty. The right always is. They will use anything when it’s useful to them, no matter how dirty it may be. If there’s a tool that’s useful to us, we need to be willing to pick it up.
Now, this all should be couched in language like “if the crazy space lazer lady understood this, you should be able to.” It should always be reminding them she’s insane, just that they must be too if she’s this far ahead of them.
Useful how? Harris was wrong to spend so many resources trying to attract Republicans that she thought could be swayed away from Trump. She converted very few voters, and lost a lot of voters on the left. Why should we repeat that same mistake?
Using MTG aligns you with an antisemite, and if it attracts anyone to your cause, it will be more antisemites.
Not trying to attract them. To spread apathy. We need to point out that even his craziest supporters can see through him. The only ones not speaking out are the ones benefiting from it.
If they don’t want to support a candidate on the left, that’s fine. We need to just make them not vote. The right has trolls constantly saying people shouldn’t vote for any Democrat candidate, no matter how closely they align with their views. Even AOC isn’t enough seemingly. We need to be willing to spread the same apathy to them.
Lets be honest they havent paid her and she’s salty thats all this is
She absolutely is, but in this instance she is taking about Israel and she is right.
There’s that insistence of Israel to equate Israel as the same thing as Jews and then when someone criticizes policies of the country call it anti semitism.
The very word anti-semite kind of makes you suspect, Semitic peoples include the Arabs that is truth. So you are like tooled?
That’s not what antisemite means, as you should well know:
Antisemitism (Wikipedia):
Languge doesn’t always make perfect logical sense.
First of all, @SalmiakDragon@feddit.nu is right. That’s not what antisemitism means.
Second, what could possibly give you the idea that MTG isn’t also bigoted towards Arabic people as well as Jewish people?