Is not that they don’t know.
All of them know.
The moderate Democrat politicians know they are a doormat for the corporate donor class. They refuse to enact meaningful change because then they lose their corporate donor money (and they’d have to do real work.)
MAGA politicians know they are betraying America to be a doormat for Donald Trump. They refuse to stand up to him because then they lose their billionaire donor money/Trump pardon protection (and they’d have to grow a conscience).
Our government has been captured by dejected cynics and sadistic sociopaths who only work for and represent people with a lot of money.
They know. They just insist that their ideology is all that matters and everyone should just “shut up and follow” and somehow it will all work out. This is what established politicians (read as in this case: establishment democrats/career politicians) standby. We know this doesn’t work.
This is why people need to start voting for actual progressives. Look at what they say versus what they vote for. Compared to who is challenging them.
Then match it with the outcomes of those voted on policies. Is it so hard? Because I know a good amount of people can’t seem to even bother.
Add in the bit of, “how do you know the challenger will actually be faithful on their promises?”. Well, clearly the status quo (aka, the same person you elect in) isn’t going to make the change you want, so why keep them?
In my long study of history there is always a tipping point. 1789, 1840, 1905, 1917 - people just took power back, or made a serious effort to do the same. Not that it was perfect either. The history of humanity is one of struggle against the elites.
In the case of the US, corporations being recognised as actual living, breathing human beings only made revolution a certainty. The only question is when? I’m an old fart, so I hopefully won’t be around to see the inevitable chaos.
I’m an old fart, so I hopefully won’t be around to see the inevitable chaos.
If you’ve got no stake in this and nothing to lose, you probably shouldn’t be giving advice.
I’ve got no advice to give. Just making a historical observation.
Over time patterns in human societies emerge. Pointing them out doesn’t constitute advice, nor the promotion of events. Sadly, we can be prisoners of those events, mostly events that are beyond any individual’s control.
Spotting smoke on a far distant ridgeline doesn’t cause the fire that comes roaring down towards your house.
You have a party that is desperate to go back to a past utopia that never existed and another that is determined to maintain a status quo that absolutely failed.
Weird that AIPAC isn’t mentioned at all in the comments.
You’ve mentioned it now. ✅
Now go on and make a point.
What failure? They’ve done their job perfectly as controlled opposition. The real failure is people expecting anything else from them.
I’m tired of having the same discussion over and over again with neo-liberals that they aren’t anywhere near left and their mandates of “less harm” or “lesser of two evils” doesn’t work anymore. So they have no actual platform or real plans for anything substantial that would be secured. Letting things float on in good faith.
The death of Neoliberalism
, ironically Neoliberalism has killed itself by being too successful, it has never been easier for people with a lot of money to move their fortune and businesses elsewhere.
So certain people and companies become nigh untaxable and impossible to regulate, now if it was a case that these people just furthered themselves and their business that would be one thing.
But they don’t have interesting ideas about race, or “the woke”, or climate change, or a whole host of unpleasantness so they use the power they have to further their petty aims. and narcissistic tendencies.
And now the dam is broken with Musk and Trump shattering all norms, who exactly is going to tell them no in the future?
Who can tell them no?
Lesser of two evils is just for general elections where you only have two choices and you need to slow the rise of fascism.
Progressives need to get on with primarying the fuck out of establishment Democrats. When you have a progressive running against a fascist in the general, polls have shown that the progressive ideas will win…if the voters are focused on policy rather than succumbing to emotional manipulation.
MAGAs always want to make every election about what people want to do with their own genitals. And Dems usually go along with it.
They’ve already started talking about James Talarico’s genitals. They are fascinated by them.
Preach. I’m pretty far left and I am constantly being spammed for money by Dem fundraising. I tell them they can pry it out of my cold dead fingers, or they can come up with a platform better than, “well at least we aren’t trump.”
Whatever is behind Samuel L. Jackson (seat cushions?) looks like a pack of hotdogs.
Diner seat cushions, but now they will forever be hotdogs.
And what are packages of little hotdogs like? They’re cool.
One thing that really sucks about today’s world is that everything seems too big to fail.
Shitty car dealers? Sorry can’t remove them. Shitty banks? Sorry too powerful. Shitty cable? Sorry it’s the only option. Shitty cellular? Sorry only service. Shitty political party? Sorry other option is worse.
Capitalism has a way of squeezing everything into a few hands where we are basically fucked once it reaches the end stage.
The problem is that during the run up you seem to get better service / value as it’s fighting for the top spot, but once there you are totally fucked.
The problem is that during the run up you seem to get better service / value as it’s fighting for the top spot, but once there you are totally fucked.
This is the essence of enshittification
Failure? Pretty sure the oligarchy is getting exactly what they want.
Democrats win by failing. For their corporate bankrollers.
Like a boxer getting paid to throw a match?
Exactly like that, except the paying is a few steps removed so it “doesn’t count as bribery”
The Democrats are a capital party just like the Republicans. We do not have a labor party in the US. Fascists and racists have their Republican Party, but liberals only have the lesser evil. There is no loyalty. We need a third party to represent labor. The two party/winner take all system is a fucking joke.
The lesser evil of fascism is still fascism. Just with a pride flag in June.
There are third parties, they’ve even spoiled some elections. I think you mean a VIABLE third party.
Democratic socialista need to change their name to the labor party and start championing Bernie’s message of the past 40 years. Appealing to people on the right and left
This is exactly the scenario that the Democratic party is working so hard to quash.
They’ve been able to effectively convince the k-hive that it wasn’t their failure; that it was the failure of voters. Those convinced of this narrative are the biggest threat to being able to stop fascism using electoral or other tools.
For decades, we’ve always heard from them it’s someone else’s fault when we fail.
Thankfully she has zero chance of getting the nomination…I’m terrified it’s going to be Buttgieg
Buttigeig is an empty suit you pour money into then it stands up and walks around. His primary claim to fame was sabotaging Bernie in 2020. And apparently being an “excellent” transportation secretary (you know, while fucking over unions under biden) I guess. I’m not saying they aren’t a threat but they’re so far up Ezra Kleins ass I don’t see how they can pretend they aren’t anything but a thirdway walking cat-turd.
The DNC definitely fucked Bernie over, but rolling over and letting them get away with it again made me lose all respect for him.
Don’t worry. It’ll actually be newsome.
Or Pritzker, Or shapiro who is their real favorite. But one hard core zionist is the same as any other really. Even Mark Kelly is a committed zionist. AIPAC would be fine with him, and people seem to support him for no other reason than he’s a Nasa guy. Thats all centrist dems seem to need.
I think AOC has a better chance than he does.
AOC has no chance of securing the Dem nomination unless she signals the DNC and Dem donors that she is now a died in wool capitalist who will play deep state ball.
Plenty of dems are winning without the support of the DNC and their donors, Bernie came close too and I think most of the party base regrets not choosing Bernie in 2016.
We will see what happens.
Been hearing a form of this for over ten years. Just no. They lost to Donald Trump. They must reflect on why the fuck that is without blaming everyone but themselves.
voters determined to make both sides the same and never do a damn thing
Both sides are the same. Democrats have taken up Republican’s bullshit rhetoric about boarder security, they vote with republicans to fund ICE, to continue to fund a genocide, are OK with the illegal war in Iran, and the invasion of Venezuela.
Bro they’re the same fucking party.
Show me where Democrats supported ANY of those things on your list, THEN you can say both sides are the same. But they aren’t because Dems opposed every single one of those things, with the possible exception of some Corporate Establishment Democrats supporting Israel Gaza Genocide.
ICE is STILL unfunded because Dems (and some MAGAs) have voted against it every time, and not a single Dem has supported the AmerIsraeli War® or the invasion of Venezuela. They don’t support the future invasion of Cuba, either.
Fetterman is the primary DINO, and he does not represent the party.
The Ds prove their ridiculous incompetence right in front of you, and still you blame the voters.
Are you Maxine Waters?
I can’t believe people forget we have an electoral college. They have overturned the popular vote multiple times.
What does that have to do with the 2024 election? Trump won the popular vote, too
No he didnt. They cheated, and we all know it. The idea that MAGA won 2024 “fair & square” is as much a Democratic hoax as Biden stole the 2020 election is a MAGA hoax.
No, I don’t believe he won the popular vote in 2016. Beyond that, genuinely who knows.
Did you have a stroke? What’s this have to do with 2024?
Because it doesn’t matter what Trump or his administration says about their own popularity past 2016. Of course they’re going to just say whatever.
Whoa… Big news. They’re determined about something.
At this point I assume more malicious intent than incompetence.
