I dunno, there have been plenty of popes against abortion and LGBTQ stuff, pretty hard to claim they just haven’t read the bible. (Unless you’re JD Vance, that guy is apparently willing to tell the pope he should study theology or whatnot.)
American evangelicals and Catholics have very different relationships with the bible. Evangelicals (and other protestant traditions) treat the bible as the ultimate authority and claim that all their beliefs are supported by the bible. If you can convince an evangelical that the bible isn’t all they think it is, everything else can collapse pretty easily.
For Catholics, the Church is the ultimate authority, with the bible being just one of the strands of tradition it has developed over time. Telling a Catholic their doctrine of the Immaculate Conception isn’t in the bible won’t be a problem to them, because they’re perfectly comfortable accepting later traditions as just that. Evangelicals on the other hand will accept some of the same traditions like the concept of the Trinity, but they will fight tooth and nail to torture the text in the bible to justify their belief in it.
Thank you! This is a delightfully nuanced take which I super appreciate.
I know enough to know I don’t know much about theological fights but I think the basic idea that more bibe study doesn’t necessarily result in more people figuteibg it thr way I want then to is accurate?
Apologies, I am very much in a bar responding so, uhh, grain of salt etc?
No problem! That sounds about right. If you’re interested, I’d recommend checking out Dr Dan Mcelllan on YT. He’s a scholar of the bible who makes videos about where certain dogmas and doctrines come from and counters evangelical apologetics on topics like abortion, homosexuality, the Trinity etc.
I dunno, there have been plenty of popes against abortion and LGBTQ stuff, pretty hard to claim they just haven’t read the bible. (Unless you’re JD Vance, that guy is apparently willing to tell the pope he should study theology or whatnot.)
American evangelicals and Catholics have very different relationships with the bible. Evangelicals (and other protestant traditions) treat the bible as the ultimate authority and claim that all their beliefs are supported by the bible. If you can convince an evangelical that the bible isn’t all they think it is, everything else can collapse pretty easily.
For Catholics, the Church is the ultimate authority, with the bible being just one of the strands of tradition it has developed over time. Telling a Catholic their doctrine of the Immaculate Conception isn’t in the bible won’t be a problem to them, because they’re perfectly comfortable accepting later traditions as just that. Evangelicals on the other hand will accept some of the same traditions like the concept of the Trinity, but they will fight tooth and nail to torture the text in the bible to justify their belief in it.
Thank you! This is a delightfully nuanced take which I super appreciate.
I know enough to know I don’t know much about theological fights but I think the basic idea that more bibe study doesn’t necessarily result in more people figuteibg it thr way I want then to is accurate?
Apologies, I am very much in a bar responding so, uhh, grain of salt etc?
No problem! That sounds about right. If you’re interested, I’d recommend checking out Dr Dan Mcelllan on YT. He’s a scholar of the bible who makes videos about where certain dogmas and doctrines come from and counters evangelical apologetics on topics like abortion, homosexuality, the Trinity etc.
Enjoy your drinks!
Sounds very much worth at least checking out, thank you! I really would enjoy a more well rounded perspective on the bible.
And believe me, I did. Though, probably not ideal when a bartender from a different bar sees you and starts rocking shots with you…