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For the nit-pickers perhaps just put him to death one time each for the “bearing false witness” and then we can get to the adultery afterwards.
NGL, there is no way I have that many stonings in me. Wouldn’t even make it through the last week.
Just get a dump truck full of pebbles and drop it on top of him. That should cover it.
what about not honoring his father and mother? can we put it to death for that too?
Works for me.
Collect a lot of rather small stones, so it isn’t over too quick…
Pebbled to death. I like it.
Most of the things the terrorist death cult called Republicans/conservatives/MAGA do go against the bible.
Jesus was, effectively, a socialist advocating for generosity and redistribution after all.
Honestly, if these idiots understood the book they preach we wouldn’t be here right now.
What did Trump say his favorite verse was again? Lol.
I don’t get how americans can swear on bible or even believe in christianity. Did they ever read it? Their whole country, from the moment it was created, from the very first day, was built on constant commitment to being sent to hell.
Americans who have actually read the bible are called atheists.
According to the Gospels, Pontius Pilate gave the people a choice: release Jesus or release a notorious criminal. They chose the criminal. So I guess that tracks.
Except, you know, purpose of Bible is that people should do as Jesus does, not as his enemies.
Just for adultery? the list is a lot longer… a lot lot longer.
Is there a commandment he hasn’t broken
Maybe number 6. Don’t murder. But that is hard to confirm. All the other 9 he has afaik.
Edit: Since people keep claiming that he did break it I would just like to say I always interpreted the commandment to mean direct murder.
He killed many more people by declaring wars there is no doubt about it.
He gave the ok to blow up fishing boats in Central America. He started a war to distract from the Epstein files which has probably already cost thousands of lives. The economic turmoil the war will cause globally will probably kill tens of thousands, if not more.
He quite possibly pushed his wife down a flight of stairs, killing her.
The first examples are murder but I don’t think in the way the commandments mean it. He could justofy it by some kind of way the wars and killing in the bible are justified.
He might have. He was also present at the killing of a baby (Epstein files). But so far we don’t have direct proof of him killing someone directly.
When a president starts a war solely as a criminal obstruction strategy, that isn’t justified by the Bible, that’s just straight up murder.
It is not direct murder. Arguably it’s even worse. I never said it’s justified by the bible but they make their excuses and lie why they really started it.
This whole debate has gpt out of hand. The point is that he has pretty much broken every single commandment.
If you order the murder of another person, knowing it will be carried out, you are committing murder. Trump ordering war to distract from his own legal issues is no different than a mob boss ordering the murder of someone who is bothering him. It’s murder, even if you don’t pull the trigger.
He willfully and publicly mismanaged COVID. He’s responsible for it turning into a pandemic in multiple ways. 1,000,000 us deaths, I believe.
Wuuuut? Huh?
Found this doc from the epstein files that refers to the reported incident of a sex trafficked woman’s baby being killed while Trump was present: https://www.justice.gov/epstein/files/DataSet 8/EFTA00025010.pdf
There’s also allegations that people involved with Epstein were killing kids and eating them. See the Sascha Riley tapes: https://podcasts.apple.com/ec/podcast/roasting-the-broligarchy-the-sascha-riley-tapes/id1723123705?i=1000745506603 . As far as I know, Trump isn’t directly implicated, but there’s a very real possibility he knew about it and participated. There’s also alot of very strange emails with a bunch of very wealthy, powerful people making a weirdly big deal out of jerky: https://www.reddit.com/r/Epstein/comments/1qz0gaq/most_interesting_jerky_mentions/ . Hard to say for sure, but seems odd if that jerky weren’t something rather forbidden.
Daaamn
What?
Well the Epstein files have him marked as someone present for the murder of a baby. My bet is on 4. He definitely doesn’t do shit on Sunday except golf and post bullshit
Sabbath is Saturday
Depends on which sect. 7th Day Adventists believe the Sabbath is on Saturday. The Catholic Church and several Protestant sects believe the Sabbath is Sunday.
Funny, anyone literate enough to get through the first couple lines of the storybook, that has bothered to read it, knows that “god rested on the seventh day” also called the Sabbath, the day jews are supposed to not do anything. Christianity is such a stupid mess that it can’t agree with itself over the meaning of its own prequel.
Yeah I know that’s why I said hard to confirm. But at the same time being present is not exactly 100% the same as doing the killing. Not defending it just saying it’s not said he personally killed the baby.
Wait isn’t 4 about respecting your parents? He definitely does not go to church/do anything relating to praising god on Sundays.
4 is keep the Sabbath holy. Respecting parents is 5.
As a side note, God’s priorities are kinda fucked up that not murdering isn’t even in the top 5 commandments
Well I guess it depends on the locale. Where I live respecting the Sabbath/god’s day is 3, respecting parents is 4 and not killing is 5.
It would be nice if somebody had written them down, back in the day.
It could also be sect based. I was raised Catholic
If you believe the Epstein files, he threw a baby into Lake Michigan
He’s responsible for the deaths of many thousands of innocent people. He is definitely a murderer.
The word is ratsach broadly means “destroy.” That carries a broad personal culpability that “murder” does not fully cover. There are other words for killing used in the context of justice, so ratsach is about personal responsibility for any unjust killing, intentional and unintentional.
Murdering fishermen, school children, aiding genocide, ordering the murder of an infant, inciting an insurrection that resulted in death, fomenting followers who murdered in his name, and more cases too numerous to name all paint him guilty of violating the sixth at enormous scale.
He may have not pulled the trigger, but indirectly he is responsible for a lot of deaths.
Sure. But I always interpreted the commandment to mean murder in the more direct sense.
Why? Either way you’re responsible for the death. I’m pretty sure God wouldn’t be ok with hiring a hitman just because there’s one layer of abstraction in between you and the act.
God just wanted us to learn proper design patterns, but then we came up with enterprise Java. The abstraction layers were stacked so high, God punished us by creating thousands of frontend framework in JavaScript!
Well sorry mate it’s just how I interpreted it.
He literally worships Satan
Is it 7 or 8 of the 10 commandments he has broken?
There are strong arguments he is 10 for 10
Shit, according to the Bible he is the spitting image of the antichrist.
No, but you see. This is good because it means the rapture is near.
/s
Man, can you imagine how pleasant and peaceful it’d be if all these assholes get raptured?
It would be funnier if everyone but them got raptured. If heaven includes those assholes I’d just as soon stay here.
If heaven includes those assholes I’d just as soon stay here.
I agree with Billy Joel on the topic. “I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. The sinners are much more fun.”
Or worse
Raptored.
thanks for sharing a link to the worst website I’ve seen all month
Improved biblical literacy would go along way to undermine American evangelicalism, sounds good to me
It worked for me. Former Bible Quiz champion turned atheist, checking in.
I mean, it was a complex situation with a lot of variables, but my knowledge of the Bible (which I had been taught was absolute truth) along with my knowledge of my church’s dogma (which I had been taught was 100% based on the Bible) couldn’t stand up to my experience of the world.
I went to university and the “heathens” were nicer and more accepting than the Christians. None of my gay friends were actively trying to make me gay or to stop me from being a Christian (some of them were Christian themselves). My religion professors had a very different view of Christianity than I had been taught in church. The more my world expanded, the less relevant a literal interpretation of the Bible seemed. And my childhood church was just so narrow and sad by comparison.
Indeed. Here in Quebec Catholics used to be told not to read the bible since it was too complicated for them. They should have instead memorized select passages or listened to the priest’s interpretation on sunday at church.
would it tho? not sure this sounds “good”
Many atheists and agnostics say that the best argument against the Bible is the Bible. We’re not afraid of it. Rather we quote it. Quoting it shows that it is not only highly contradictory, it’s scientifically looney tunes, and just plain evil and immoral. Not to mention has content that, in any other context, would get it banned from alot of libraries.
i mean contradictions dont really seem to affect religious people, so im still reluctant to add more bibles to a religion problem
They don’t affect them because they dance around them, either offering creative interpretations (aka apologetics) or they just ignore them. But contradictions are really important because demonstrating that they do indeed exist shatters a key piece of evangelical theology: Biblical inerrancy.
Because it means undermining the religious basis of conservative ideas for many Americans. Some who realise that their ideas on the LGBTQ community or abortion etc aren’t actually defensible purely based on the bible will be forced to confront their faith and worldview. Or if their education is thorough and soon enough, maybe they’ll never get to that point.
I dunno, there have been plenty of popes against abortion and LGBTQ stuff, pretty hard to claim they just haven’t read the bible. (Unless you’re JD Vance, that guy is apparently willing to tell the pope he should study theology or whatnot.)
American evangelicals and Catholics have very different relationships with the bible. Evangelicals (and other protestant traditions) treat the bible as the ultimate authority and claim that all their beliefs are supported by the bible. If you can convince an evangelical that the bible isn’t all they think it is, everything else can collapse pretty easily.
For Catholics, the Church is the ultimate authority, with the bible being just one of the strands of tradition it has developed over time. Telling a Catholic their doctrine of the Immaculate Conception isn’t in the bible won’t be a problem to them, because they’re perfectly comfortable accepting later traditions as just that. Evangelicals on the other hand will accept some of the same traditions like the concept of the Trinity, but they will fight tooth and nail to torture the text in the bible to justify their belief in it.
Thank you! This is a delightfully nuanced take which I super appreciate.
I know enough to know I don’t know much about theological fights but I think the basic idea that more bibe study doesn’t necessarily result in more people figuteibg it thr way I want then to is accurate?
Apologies, I am very much in a bar responding so, uhh, grain of salt etc?
No problem! That sounds about right. If you’re interested, I’d recommend checking out Dr Dan Mcelllan on YT. He’s a scholar of the bible who makes videos about where certain dogmas and doctrines come from and counters evangelical apologetics on topics like abortion, homosexuality, the Trinity etc.
Enjoy your drinks!
Sounds very much worth at least checking out, thank you! I really would enjoy a more well rounded perspective on the bible.
And believe me, I did. Though, probably not ideal when a bartender from a different bar sees you and starts rocking shots with you…
i get what youre saying, but having more people read the bible in school also just seems a lot like throwing more fuel on the fire.
Obviously it’s only any good if “Bible literacy” is taught by people who have actually studied the bible and aren’t bound by dogmas to a specific religious interpretation, which I don’t think is feasible. But if Bible literacy was really what they were teaching, chances are it would have a net positive impact on America.
which I don’t think is feasible
same
So in the Bible adultery is specifically having sex with another (Hebrew) man’s wife, not merely having sex outside marriage. Having sex with other women while married is allowed and sometimes even encouraged in the Bible. For example:
Deuteronomy 20:13-14
And when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword, but the women and the little ones, the livestock, and everything else in the city, all its spoil, you shall take as plunder for yourselves. And you shall enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.
It’s plausible Trump has had sex with other men’s wives, though no specific example comes to mind.
Moses, after coming down Mt Sinai with the 10 Commandments, which of course contains the very memorable “Thou shalt not murder” then immediately goes out and genocides the entire kingdom of Og.
The difference between murder and killing is notable. The Bible has no issue with “justified” killing, and ends up justifying it in a lot of cases, especially if the target is some infidel.
the little ones and the livestock? concerning.
Oh, he understood that part for sure.
I like to think they mean as slaves, but who really knows.
If I remember correctly David did this, didn’t he?
Enjoying the little ones, you mean? I’m not sure, though Trump has for sure.
I meant have sex with another ones wife.
Story says he sent her husband to the front line to die while he was borking her too
To be honest, I don’t remember. I’m better at remembering the juicy and hilarious stuff, like God casting Greater Bear Summon and a bunch of children immediately pulling aggro.
I just checked. He had sex with his neighbors wife Bathsheba, impregnated her and arranged her husbands death.
And he is described in the Bible as “a man after God’s own heart.”
He was punished though. The Bible, especially the old testament is hard to understand.
It’s also having sex outside your own marriage.
According to the Bible, fella oughta tie a millstone around his neck and jump into the sea himself rather than try to make an appointment at the pearly gates.
i am aware of movements that sent little millstones en masse to organizations that protect sex abusers.
Let he who hasn’t partied with Jeffrey Epstein throw the first stone
Got some bricks for me? As a loan. I’ll return them, promised
but will you return them clean or a little bloodied?
Hey man, wanna do a pal a favor, or not?? 😡
Keep your religion to yourself
Rabia is freaking cool af.
Isn’t that a violation of church-state split? Or does that not apply to schools in the US?
so the bible is kind of important culturally when understanding literature written in english, so us schools will often cover it somewhat in that kind of context in the same way that “what is the quran” is a reasonable thing for a kid to know. presenting the bible as fact goes against the separation, but saying “this is a book” doesn’t
trump, being bad, is proposing dumb dumb fascist gibberish propaganda class (illegal, not enforced)
Probably, but the current administration’s goal is to make it a religious nationalist country so it tracks.
I mean to be fair, thats why the bible should be studied. Its a pretty complex text, being extremely internally inconsistant especially because it was written by many. Understanding the historical and literary context is also important. This is true for both believers and non-believers cause if someone in an absolute power condition gives you instructions you still have to interpret it. If your teacher tells you to pay more attention, youre not gonna pay them literally. Now add a thousand years of linguistic change to that and it suddenly means to viewbot your tikslop account.
It’s a fantasy novel with too much lore up front
And don’t forget about his mixed garments!! 🤮
What’s the point of reading the bible if you don’t follow any of its teachings?
The Lemmy user who thinks they have to do everything they read about must have a weird life.
I command thee to carry around a stack of $10 bills (or local equivilant) and happily give one out anytime you are asked for change or a donation or see someone who looks like they could use $10. For the rest of your life. Except the salvation army Santa for he is impure.
“Yeah I’m Christian, but I don’t follow the Bible, or go to church, or believe in God.”
Do you know anything about religion? Lol. The whole point is that you try to follow the teachings of whatever holy book you subscribe to.
Bet you thought you were cooking with that stupid reply lol go touch grass or something.
He wouldn’t know that though.
