Edit at the top: My lemmy.world alt has been added as a mod, so now I’m going back through reports (mostly from before I was a mod, so bear with me). You can, of course, send me a dm for anything requiring immediate attention, but I’m also able to see reports properly now.
Well its only been a couple days, but the response has been very consistent and functionally unanimous.
Rule 3 is now revised to read:
Posts here are to be centered around self-hosting. Please ensure it is clear in your post how it relates to self-hosting.
There may be some slight tweaks, but I’m going to consider this good for now.
As an important note, I’m still waiting on a ticket response from the lemmy.world team to get my lemmy.world alt added for report purposes. If you see something that requires more immediate attention please send me a message in addition to a report. Also, some of the other rules have been trimmed to just the point of the rule, removing the commentary in them.
In addition, rule 7 (low effort posts) is deleted as everyone seems to agree its handled just fine with votes.
A few related items out of the discussion:
- Posts that are better off in a different community (not just intent, but also a community thats appropriately supported by activity) will be locked only after that community is noted. There is a bit of subjectivity here obviously, so lets play it by ear at the moment. They will not be deleted though, only locked.
- If there is an influx of simple posts about hardware, pictures of setups, etc., then we can go ahead with a weekly sticky for that content. There aren’t enough in the log to justify this yet.
- Low effort content is currently well managed with upvotes and downvotes. Again, if there is an influx of low effort content, we can use a different approach.
- Repeated common questions, once enough of them are being seen, will go to an FAQ post or a wiki. Not enough of those in the modlog either right now to justify the effort, but if someone does want to go ahead and make one, we can get that going anyway.
I appreciate everyone’s input on this! And remember I’m just here to help, so if there are any other rules / descriptions / whatever you feel should be up for discussion, you can feel free to start a discussion about it.
Can vibe-coded apps be flagged as low effort, they steal code from other developers and claim it to be their own.
I think an AI tag (honestly i think there are a few different ones that could/should be used) would be appropriate, but I’m not going to outright remove as “low effort”, no.
There are a few reasons for that. The first is thats a community decision, not a decision for me to make for the community.
I personally don’t agree either. Its just a tool, and like any tool can be used well or used poorly, which can usually be seen quite easily in code. For example, LLM’s are excellent for finding security issues, being pretty good at explaining code blocks or APIs being connected to, or resolving issues with errors that may be more esoteric.
What they aren’t great at, IMO, is creating the entire thing whole hog, thats typically where you’ll find issues (though it can happen in small sections of code, so a person should review that as well).
Beyond the tool and thinking of it in terms of copyright and complaints about data centers and the like, I would still disagree as the root of the problem has nothing to do with the tool and everything to do with capitalism. A local model needs drastically less power than something coming out of anthropic or Microsoft, which has more to do with them abusing your data than the actual operations themselves.
But considering its use and application, including the Linux kernel BTW, expecting everything to be llm-free is pretty much a non-starter, fwiw.
That said, I’ll be making a post about it along with some other items that should probably get tagged such as commercial applications, freemium models, etc, so the community can come to a consensus.
Love the update. Thanks for all the hard work.
Let us know what I as a community member can do to help you and avoid burnouts.
Will be doing exactly that!
There are a few more items to go up on the docket for the community, including other folks to help out with modding (to expand coverage hours), some items around tags (non-free software posts, AI, etc), so on that may be beneficial.
So for better or worse everyone is going to be hearing a lot more from the mod team as long as I’m here :)
Posts here are to be centered around self-hosting. Please ensure it is clear in your post how it relates to self-hosting.
Does that mean my post where I ask for hardware storage options for my selfhosted Jellyfin will be unremoved?
Absolutely! If you’ve got a title to help me find yours, I can restore it
There are quite a few that were pulled, and they do need to be checked one at a time (some spam here and there that was also oddly noted as rule 3), so a title would be great
Edit: Found it, restored
Thank you very much!
I appreciate everyone’s input on this! And remember I’m just here to help
Well you certainly have brought a lot of clarity to the table, and that is admirable and appreciated. Most of use left Reddit for a reason. It would be nice if lemmy.world/c/selfhosted didn’t turn into Reddit. There are so very few selfhosting brain trusts out there.
Myself included, left full time at the APIcalypse and never looked back.
I definitely prefer a successful fediverse!
In addition, rule 7 (low effort posts) is deleted as everyone seems to agree its handled just fine with votes.
Completely agree with this one. I like to browse new and I’d rather keep the occasional low effort post than delete them. There are relatively few posts at it is.
Yeah, and everyone’s opinion of low effort is different. Idk, if all we see is pictures of a homelab or dashboard that’s boring, but at the same time I love seeing things people have worked super hard on and are proud of! Previous mods were pretty eager with that trmove button for that.
were pretty eager with that trmove button for that.
Yeah, I only noticed that after it had been pointed out recently. I hope it didn’t scare anyone away.
In addition, rule 7 (low effort posts) is deleted as everyone seems to agree its handled just fine with votes.
This one is tough for instances like mine. Downvotes are turned off, so I and others like me who choose to experience the Fediverse in a different way will not see posts fall, only rise. In theory, these low-effort posts wouldn’t get many positive votes in the first place, but it would be nice to still have an option for those of us who don’t use downvotes.
Basically, removing the rule and relying on downvotes is excluding of instances that don’t have downvotes.
Thats fair, though I’ll point out that in the past 2 months there have been 2 posts removed for being “low effort”, and were also not at a negative anyway just a mod’s personal perspective.
The most recent one that actually was upside down self-deleted.
I don’t believe there is any real issue at the moment here, but you are welcome to start a discussion thread on it.
Edit: Slight correction to myself - there was one more which I’m about to pull the plug on, unfortunately I haven’t gotten any reports on it due to report federation issues. Hopefully the .world folks can help resolve the inability to add my lw alt soon…
I think that’s a fair assessment. If it becomes an issue where we’re getting inundated with low-quality posts, then it might be worth bringing it back up.
I want to add on to this comment that there are also users who use clients that hide the ability to downvote if negative scores or downvotes are disabled in the settings (which is fair). Tesseract is one that comes to mind with that restriction, where if downvotes are turned off, your downvote button is removed and the upvote button is replaced with a like/heart button.
Being said, agree I don’t see many low quality posts in the first place. But it would be nice if reports or comments could be included as a way to judge low effort as well,
I’d say no matter what reports will always be a factor (well, once I can consistently see them at least, thus the note to DM)
