Oh yeah its my fault the democrats decided to support a genocide and cost themselves the election. You would rather blame me someone with zero power than the leaders who have failed you, pathetic.
Yes, actually. A politicians first job is to get elected. It doesn’t matter how good their policies are if they just never get elected.
So if the anti-genocidenvoting block was actually a thing that voted reliably, then politicians could cater to those people instead of the pro Israel crowd.
And even ignoring that, when the choices are the guy that was somewhat pushing back on Netanyahu and making some effort to help Palestine, Vs the guy who is enthusiastic to go all in with Netanyahu, and cleanse the entire region so he build property their and make money and gave Israel the go ahead to start several all new wars. And we get one of those two options no matter what, then not voting is implicit support for the second, much worse option.
Bro you don’t even know who was running why are you talking? it was Kamala vs Trump not two men. Biden also did not push back against Israel most of the death and destruction of Gaza happened under Biden. He let them do a genocide what push back could there have been? He had all the power to stop it and did nothing.
All I am saying is when the options are two shitty candidates don’t be surprised when people stay home instead. You need someone who can inspire people to come out in vote and if they can’t do that they will lose. You keep talking about people that didn’t vote when you should ask yourself why was Kamala so fucking terrible that she lost to a child rapist? That is on her and no one else. You don’t blame the fucking fans when a sports team loses, they aren’t the ones playing the game. It was her job to win not anyone else’s and she failed miserably.
Huh, I didn’t realise Biden was Prime minister of Israel.
And like I said, a politicians first job is to get elected. And unless your whole party is corrupt and full of yes men, I president isn’t an all powerful dictator. If pro-genocide Zionists vote and anti genocide people don’t, then if course every politician is going to be pro Israel. All you do by not voting is reinforce the pro Israel position. Not voting means you’re just as responsible for what happened then the people actively voting for genocide.
Kamala was a shitty candidate that completely failed to inspire the democratic based to show up to vote. But that’s a completely different discussion.
What the fuck are you even saying? The pro-Palestinian voters should have voted for anti-Palestinian candidates to show that the pro-Palestinian voting bloc was worth pursuing? Are you actually saying that?
I’m saying if you don’t vote, then politicians have no reason to try and win your vote, they will instead try to win the vote of people who do vote, like Zionists.
And then since there is no option for your vote, even not casting it, that is decidedly pro Palestine, then the obvious best course of action is to vote for the least pro-iseael candidate. This also in theory gives incentive for the more pro-iseael party to shift to try and win more votes and opens room for a more pro Palestinian position on the other side.
If you actually care about the lives of Palestinian people and don’t just want to use them as a political chess piece, then this is the obvious course of action.
This is ridiculous. Just try thinking about this for second. You are saying that if the people demand something, and the politicians on both sides of the aisle don’t want to give it to them, it’s the people’s fault.
At this point, you have to admit that the politicians represent elite interests and not the people. How in the world could any other conclusion be valid? And if that’s the case, and people realize this, then literally the outcome will be the same whether you vote or don’t vote.
Listen, you’re all about harm reduction right? You think Trump made things worse. Let’s analyze that. Let’s compare Trump and Obama. Trump launched a war against Iran and he lost. Obama launched a war against Libya and turned it into an open-air slave market. Net net, Trump did less harm to Iran than Obama did to Libya. On deportations, Trump has deported 1.5M people so far. Obama deported 3M. Net net, Trump did less harm via deportation than Obama did.
So when we look at Palestine, and we see that the US hasn’t actually engaged directly in Palestine but rather Israel has done all of the work, what are we to conclude? That somehow Trump has made Palestine worse? I think Trump is incompetent, ignorant, and aloof. He doesn’t care what happens and he’s not really engaged. It’s Israel doing the harm in Palestine. In this way, blaming Trump for the conditions in Palestine is like blaming the president for a drought. It’s not in his control.
No. The conclusion is not “you should vote for genocide if you don’t want genocide to prove to the genocidaires that you’re still willing to vote for them even if they engage in genocide because otherwise they have no incentive to stop genocide”. That’s so clearly and obviously ridiculous it’s a wonder you’re willing to even say it. The conclusion is that your vote doesn’t matter because the empire is going to do whatever it needs to do to maintain its power and voting is impotent to change those things.
This is ridiculous. Just try thinking about this for second. You are saying that if the people demand something, and the politicians on both sides of the aisle don’t want to give it to them, it’s the people’s fault.
It’s a democracy and primaries exist. If “the people” vote for a shitty candidate in the primaries, then that’s on them.
You’re acting as if the pro Palestine position is near universal and the democrats are just saying no for no reason (or corruption/malice whatever) but the reality is most of the voter base either doesn’t give a shit about Palestine or is probably Israel.
And that’s kind of my whole point. Those people vote, so if pro Palestine people don’t vote then you don’t get prop Palestine candidates, so it’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yes politicians overwhelmingly represent corporate interests, but acting like there is 0 political pressure from actual voters is nonsense. Not voting is giving tacit approval for the politicians to only care about the ekete or the other side.
Trump didn’t run against Obama.
we see that the US hasn’t actually engaged directly in Palestine but rather Israel has done all of the work
So that applied to Biden too?
you should vote for genocide
And now you’re back to claiming the US is responsible for the genocide.
More “both sides” bullshit. Dumbasses like you are part of the reason Trump got into to power.
Oh yeah its my fault the democrats decided to support a genocide and cost themselves the election. You would rather blame me someone with zero power than the leaders who have failed you, pathetic.
Yes, actually. A politicians first job is to get elected. It doesn’t matter how good their policies are if they just never get elected.
So if the anti-genocidenvoting block was actually a thing that voted reliably, then politicians could cater to those people instead of the pro Israel crowd.
And even ignoring that, when the choices are the guy that was somewhat pushing back on Netanyahu and making some effort to help Palestine, Vs the guy who is enthusiastic to go all in with Netanyahu, and cleanse the entire region so he build property their and make money and gave Israel the go ahead to start several all new wars. And we get one of those two options no matter what, then not voting is implicit support for the second, much worse option.
Bro you don’t even know who was running why are you talking? it was Kamala vs Trump not two men. Biden also did not push back against Israel most of the death and destruction of Gaza happened under Biden. He let them do a genocide what push back could there have been? He had all the power to stop it and did nothing.
All I am saying is when the options are two shitty candidates don’t be surprised when people stay home instead. You need someone who can inspire people to come out in vote and if they can’t do that they will lose. You keep talking about people that didn’t vote when you should ask yourself why was Kamala so fucking terrible that she lost to a child rapist? That is on her and no one else. You don’t blame the fucking fans when a sports team loses, they aren’t the ones playing the game. It was her job to win not anyone else’s and she failed miserably.
Huh, I didn’t realise Biden was Prime minister of Israel.
And like I said, a politicians first job is to get elected. And unless your whole party is corrupt and full of yes men, I president isn’t an all powerful dictator. If pro-genocide Zionists vote and anti genocide people don’t, then if course every politician is going to be pro Israel. All you do by not voting is reinforce the pro Israel position. Not voting means you’re just as responsible for what happened then the people actively voting for genocide.
Kamala was a shitty candidate that completely failed to inspire the democratic based to show up to vote. But that’s a completely different discussion.
What the fuck are you even saying? The pro-Palestinian voters should have voted for anti-Palestinian candidates to show that the pro-Palestinian voting bloc was worth pursuing? Are you actually saying that?
I’m saying if you don’t vote, then politicians have no reason to try and win your vote, they will instead try to win the vote of people who do vote, like Zionists.
And then since there is no option for your vote, even not casting it, that is decidedly pro Palestine, then the obvious best course of action is to vote for the least pro-iseael candidate. This also in theory gives incentive for the more pro-iseael party to shift to try and win more votes and opens room for a more pro Palestinian position on the other side.
If you actually care about the lives of Palestinian people and don’t just want to use them as a political chess piece, then this is the obvious course of action.
This is ridiculous. Just try thinking about this for second. You are saying that if the people demand something, and the politicians on both sides of the aisle don’t want to give it to them, it’s the people’s fault.
At this point, you have to admit that the politicians represent elite interests and not the people. How in the world could any other conclusion be valid? And if that’s the case, and people realize this, then literally the outcome will be the same whether you vote or don’t vote.
Listen, you’re all about harm reduction right? You think Trump made things worse. Let’s analyze that. Let’s compare Trump and Obama. Trump launched a war against Iran and he lost. Obama launched a war against Libya and turned it into an open-air slave market. Net net, Trump did less harm to Iran than Obama did to Libya. On deportations, Trump has deported 1.5M people so far. Obama deported 3M. Net net, Trump did less harm via deportation than Obama did.
So when we look at Palestine, and we see that the US hasn’t actually engaged directly in Palestine but rather Israel has done all of the work, what are we to conclude? That somehow Trump has made Palestine worse? I think Trump is incompetent, ignorant, and aloof. He doesn’t care what happens and he’s not really engaged. It’s Israel doing the harm in Palestine. In this way, blaming Trump for the conditions in Palestine is like blaming the president for a drought. It’s not in his control.
No. The conclusion is not “you should vote for genocide if you don’t want genocide to prove to the genocidaires that you’re still willing to vote for them even if they engage in genocide because otherwise they have no incentive to stop genocide”. That’s so clearly and obviously ridiculous it’s a wonder you’re willing to even say it. The conclusion is that your vote doesn’t matter because the empire is going to do whatever it needs to do to maintain its power and voting is impotent to change those things.
It’s a democracy and primaries exist. If “the people” vote for a shitty candidate in the primaries, then that’s on them.
You’re acting as if the pro Palestine position is near universal and the democrats are just saying no for no reason (or corruption/malice whatever) but the reality is most of the voter base either doesn’t give a shit about Palestine or is probably Israel.
And that’s kind of my whole point. Those people vote, so if pro Palestine people don’t vote then you don’t get prop Palestine candidates, so it’s a self fulfilling prophecy.
Yes politicians overwhelmingly represent corporate interests, but acting like there is 0 political pressure from actual voters is nonsense. Not voting is giving tacit approval for the politicians to only care about the ekete or the other side.
Trump didn’t run against Obama.
So that applied to Biden too?
And now you’re back to claiming the US is responsible for the genocide.
You’re starting to sound like a MAGA.