I don’t see why it is useless to apply the standards of developed countries, if you’re a right wing shithead with horrible views, you’re a right wing shithead with horrible views. Just because you are imprisoned by a bigger shithead doesn’t excuse your views or actions.
We ofc should keep advocating for his release under spurious charges that he finds himself under as we should across the world.
Someone calling you a shithead doesn’t make you a shithead, simple as that.
People not having a slightest idea about what people in Russia would think about what they assume by “right wing” won’t help Russian people at all, they would only confuse themselves.
The reason, though, is that by telling other people who has no idea about how Russia works to note how another Russian person is bad by their standards (also doing no work to actually research and confirm that) will only make it much less likely for any Russian person to be liked or accepted by the rest of the world. Not because they are really that bad or stuff, but because of only high probability of people getting misled by crap articles and Kremlin propaganda and then refusing to do proper research.
I’m not on Lemmy to convince Russians about what opinion they should hold tho. I’m stating an opinion about the matter on a public forum not exclusively for Russians.
We shouldn’t delude ourselves on the outside that this is a good person, even if he is an improvement on the current leadership. That is my point, because you see this time and time again, to the point that the outside world starts to essentially simp for the slightly less shit person.
Okay let me try it differently. Imagine a perfect clone of Navalny gained full power in your country. You know he is a right wing shithead and will inevitably do what you expect and afraid him to do. Can you list a few things that he will do?
What does that impossible thought experiment achieve?
I could just tell people to have nuance and not fall prey to idolising a right wing bigot who is less shit than the right wing bigot that imprisoned him?
Again this message is to those outside of Russia, some random thought experiment that goes nowhere but to continue this conversation and give you the ego to go “well ackshually” means shit all in the scheme of things.
You basically refuse to explain what could happen that would constitute for “bad” or “unwanted” if Navalny is supported.
You refuse to explain what exactly do you mean by right wing (exact bad stuff about it) and instead rely on your readers’ own interpretation to convince them that person should not be supported.
By providing exact example you could be more specific. And I could find some stream piece with Navalny’s point of view on something exact to show you that he would not actually do what you think he would do.
If you still want to avoid exact examples and only rely on those old clips about immigrants then you have no chance of proving me wrong. In his presidential program there was a proposition to require visa from them, and this can’t be viewed as bad. Else you’d have to tell me countries like US/EU are controlled by right wing shitheads already. It’s like telling your readers “hey don’t forget, this guy seems to be at least as bad as your own government, don’t support him”.
I don’t see why it is useless to apply the standards of developed countries, if you’re a right wing shithead with horrible views, you’re a right wing shithead with horrible views. Just because you are imprisoned by a bigger shithead doesn’t excuse your views or actions.
We ofc should keep advocating for his release under spurious charges that he finds himself under as we should across the world.
Someone calling you a shithead doesn’t make you a shithead, simple as that.
People not having a slightest idea about what people in Russia would think about what they assume by “right wing” won’t help Russian people at all, they would only confuse themselves.
The reason, though, is that by telling other people who has no idea about how Russia works to note how another Russian person is bad by their standards (also doing no work to actually research and confirm that) will only make it much less likely for any Russian person to be liked or accepted by the rest of the world. Not because they are really that bad or stuff, but because of only high probability of people getting misled by crap articles and Kremlin propaganda and then refusing to do proper research.
I’m not on Lemmy to convince Russians about what opinion they should hold tho. I’m stating an opinion about the matter on a public forum not exclusively for Russians.
We shouldn’t delude ourselves on the outside that this is a good person, even if he is an improvement on the current leadership. That is my point, because you see this time and time again, to the point that the outside world starts to essentially simp for the slightly less shit person.
And that is how I interpreted it.
Okay let me try it differently. Imagine a perfect clone of Navalny gained full power in your country. You know he is a right wing shithead and will inevitably do what you expect and afraid him to do. Can you list a few things that he will do?
Why?
What does that impossible thought experiment achieve?
I could just tell people to have nuance and not fall prey to idolising a right wing bigot who is less shit than the right wing bigot that imprisoned him?
Again this message is to those outside of Russia, some random thought experiment that goes nowhere but to continue this conversation and give you the ego to go “well ackshually” means shit all in the scheme of things.
It goes a long way that you are avoiding.
You basically refuse to explain what could happen that would constitute for “bad” or “unwanted” if Navalny is supported.
You refuse to explain what exactly do you mean by right wing (exact bad stuff about it) and instead rely on your readers’ own interpretation to convince them that person should not be supported.
By providing exact example you could be more specific. And I could find some stream piece with Navalny’s point of view on something exact to show you that he would not actually do what you think he would do.
If you still want to avoid exact examples and only rely on those old clips about immigrants then you have no chance of proving me wrong. In his presidential program there was a proposition to require visa from them, and this can’t be viewed as bad. Else you’d have to tell me countries like US/EU are controlled by right wing shitheads already. It’s like telling your readers “hey don’t forget, this guy seems to be at least as bad as your own government, don’t support him”.