r/conservative is, dare I say, tepid on this deal. Though surprisingly most are: celebrating not fighting at Israel’s whim, avoiding discussing the actual amount, calling out the blatant stock manipulation and pretty hesitant to celebrate since they anticipate the deal falling apart inside 36 hours (though predictably they presume Iran will be at fault for that). It’s pretty wild, I wonder if the mods are in the hospital or something.
The takes in there are wildly all over the place. Lots of in-fighting too.
My favorite is this exchange:
*nu1stunnaConstitutionalist [score hidden] 3 hours ago **
Blah blah blah. All that matters is that the IRGC, the world leading state sponsor of terror — the organization that mass murders its own citizens in cold blood will have access to money. You know what happens when they have access to money? Well, they steal a ton of it for themselves and the rest of it goes towards funding terrorism. The Iranian people won’t see a dime of it. The last time they had access to cash, October 7th happened. Trump has the opportunity to do something incredible for all of mankind but is making the same mistake that every other world leader has made for 47 years. This is just fucking shameful. No deal with terrorists.
**According-Activity87Conservative Devil Dog [score hidden] 2 hours ago **
Most of the leadership of the IRGC responsible for all of that is dead, to include the ayatollah. We were having a hard time finding anyone left who would claim a position of leadership to negotiate with. No one has done more to hold them accountable in the last 47 years. “Trials” were carried about by bombing. They are already telling the talking heads in the control to shut up and get in line with peace. That’s a first, this definitely hasn’t been the same old same old.
Ok, this take by nu1stunna is rather reasonable… until he replied with this:
**nu1stunnaConstitutionalist [score hidden] 2 hours ago **
This is the exact mistake that I’m talking about. It doesn’t matter if you negotiate with Ali Khamenei (may he be burning in eternal hell) or 100 positions down from him. The terroristic nature is in their DNA. You cannot make a deal with these people. They are rotten to their core. The only reason you see some telling others to STFU is because they are reeling and need access to money. It’s a delay tactic. That’s it. Trump has allies in 90 million Iranians on the ground to help finish the job. He told them to stay at home and that he would tell them when the time comes to come out reclaim the country. Instead, he paused the war and started negotiating with these terrorists again.
There’s the white-power racism I was looking for from them.
They seem to think that this is going to screw over the Iranian civilians, who are all terrorists, who Trump said he’d support, and who he is now betraying by negotiating with the Iranian government, who are also terrorists. So their position is we shouldn’t have a deal with terrorists, because we should have a deal with terrorists.
That’s… that’s gotta be an LLM. There’s no actual reasoning there.
I have to pay the US taxes despite living outside the US, and in exchange they won’t let me renew my passport because I’m trans, so remind me why I’m paying them?
The US is letting Iran access its own money that the US had frozen with sanctions. Same as with the JCPOA. The US tax payers are not footing this bill.
Update only $25B is from frozen assets, the $300B is from the GCC. The people we dragged into this war are footing the bill. LOL fuck the UAE.
That $1.7B was a release of money that already belonged to Iran. The $300B is a straight up payout from US and other taxpayers. And we’re also giving them back $25B we withheld as part of the war effort.
I’m guessing the Russian oil sanctions we lifted because of the closure of the strait are just going to fade away as if it was never that big of a deal to begin with.
They cried when Obama let Iran have 1.7B.
They just gave Iran 300B.
Fucking clown show.🤡
if i was a usa taxpayer i’d be a little annoyed at the moment
r/conservative is, dare I say, tepid on this deal. Though surprisingly most are: celebrating not fighting at Israel’s whim, avoiding discussing the actual amount, calling out the blatant stock manipulation and pretty hesitant to celebrate since they anticipate the deal falling apart inside 36 hours (though predictably they presume Iran will be at fault for that). It’s pretty wild, I wonder if the mods are in the hospital or something.
The takes in there are wildly all over the place. Lots of in-fighting too.
My favorite is this exchange: *nu1stunnaConstitutionalist [score hidden] 3 hours ago **
Blah blah blah. All that matters is that the IRGC, the world leading state sponsor of terror — the organization that mass murders its own citizens in cold blood will have access to money. You know what happens when they have access to money? Well, they steal a ton of it for themselves and the rest of it goes towards funding terrorism. The Iranian people won’t see a dime of it. The last time they had access to cash, October 7th happened. Trump has the opportunity to do something incredible for all of mankind but is making the same mistake that every other world leader has made for 47 years. This is just fucking shameful. No deal with terrorists.
**According-Activity87Conservative Devil Dog [score hidden] 2 hours ago **
Most of the leadership of the IRGC responsible for all of that is dead, to include the ayatollah. We were having a hard time finding anyone left who would claim a position of leadership to negotiate with. No one has done more to hold them accountable in the last 47 years. “Trials” were carried about by bombing. They are already telling the talking heads in the control to shut up and get in line with peace. That’s a first, this definitely hasn’t been the same old same old.
Ok, this take by nu1stunna is rather reasonable… until he replied with this:
**nu1stunnaConstitutionalist [score hidden] 2 hours ago **
This is the exact mistake that I’m talking about. It doesn’t matter if you negotiate with Ali Khamenei (may he be burning in eternal hell) or 100 positions down from him. The terroristic nature is in their DNA. You cannot make a deal with these people. They are rotten to their core. The only reason you see some telling others to STFU is because they are reeling and need access to money. It’s a delay tactic. That’s it. Trump has allies in 90 million Iranians on the ground to help finish the job. He told them to stay at home and that he would tell them when the time comes to come out reclaim the country. Instead, he paused the war and started negotiating with these terrorists again.
There’s the white-power racism I was looking for from them.
I’m so confused by that last one.
They seem to think that this is going to screw over the Iranian civilians, who are all terrorists, who Trump said he’d support, and who he is now betraying by negotiating with the Iranian government, who are also terrorists. So their position is we shouldn’t have a deal with terrorists, because we should have a deal with terrorists.
That’s… that’s gotta be an LLM. There’s no actual reasoning there.
They are so close to getting it, and then it goes off the rails.
Also, another post there said this absolute gem:
"So, as usual from Republicans, very little accomplished at our expense.
We need a real party that will fully oppose Democrats."
Like… what!!! It’s almost impressive the depth of insanity they could pack into 21 words.
For those of us who aren’t US taxpayers, we can avoid giving our money to those who are US taxpayers.
https://lemmy.ca/c/boycottus
I have to pay the US taxes despite living outside the US, and in exchange they won’t let me renew my passport because I’m trans, so remind me why I’m paying them?
The US is letting Iran access its own money that the US had frozen with sanctions. Same as with the JCPOA. The US tax payers are not footing this bill.
Update only $25B is from frozen assets, the $300B is from the GCC. The people we dragged into this war are footing the bill. LOL fuck the UAE.
That $1.7B was a release of money that already belonged to Iran. The $300B is a straight up payout from US and other taxpayers. And we’re also giving them back $25B we withheld as part of the war effort.
I’m guessing the Russian oil sanctions we lifted because of the closure of the strait are just going to fade away as if it was never that big of a deal to begin with.
I believe it is a shared fund between middle wastern countries and the U.S.
oh and that 300bn is apparently going to be slush fund by the ME countries, and trump will take a cut in that.
Is it in trump crypto? I bet it is.
Iran seems smarter than that
That said, when Americans start to complain about the 300B payout, I’m curious what is the next distraction that Trump will pull.
‘Clown show’ is a bit mid.
Agree, it would imply everyone is having a good time.