Yeah that’s the thing about authoritarians; they don’t have a problem with the boot, they just want it to be on the other foot. No better. Different axis, but the political compass looks more like a triangle than a square to me.
Oh noooo authoritarians who use that power to build affordable housing and transportation infrastructure, break up monopolies and capitalist machinations which gouge people trying to pay for food and healthcare. No please noooooooo. Let’s keep fighting this because it’s no different from pedophile billionaires destroying the planet. /s
“Ah, finally free from the tyranny of capitalism!” – the tankie says, barely audible over the sounds of a random minority group being mulched in the background
Uhhuh. Capitalism is evil. Wait… Why’s it evil again? Right; because of the suffering and harm it causes, and siphons the power from many into the hands of a few. And the authoritarian “left” is better because… Trains. Or something. But, come to thinks of it… You know, I heard Germany had a pretty decent rail system too. So perhaps that isn’t the bar by which we should measure success as a society.
That’s funny, I had the opposite experience. When Israel started doing it’s genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it, while the tankies were on the right side of history right from the start.
When did that happen? The closest was people pointing out, correctly, that if you actually cared about Israel’s actions it was obvious that Trump would be worse. That’s not defending genocide, that’s trying to prevent people from making stupid decisions for noble reasons.
I’m sorry, the invasion of Ukraine is a terrible thing, and definitely illegal, but it is not a genocide. Not a single human rights organization or anything like the ICJ, UN, ICC is calling it a genocide.
Russia is currently not in the position to carry out a genocide, unlike Israel, so technically that can be correct. However, not everything is in the actions, something is in the intent as well (trying to commit a crime and failing can still be illegal and punishable), and Russia has made its heinous plans quite clear.
Youre right I don’t think it’s correct at all to call it a genocide. I think they’re just hypersensitive to the minimizing language tankies use a lot, where a lot of historians said “the uyghur genocide” and tankies say “uhm technically there was no mention of genocide from this international rights body so that’s an overreaction.” The implication being that sure it’s not good what’s happening to them, but it’s not THAT bad.
Tankies do a similar thing with Ukraine where they say “they’re just taking back some of the land they rightfully control,” or some other minimization.
The ICJ is hearing counterclaims that Ukraine is committing genocide. So by your standards, Ukraine is committing genocide too. That doesn’t hold up to my standards, so I don’t believe Ukraine is committing genocide (or Russia for that matter).
Ok I guess we have slightly different standards for calling things a genocide then. What did your eyes see that makes you call Russia’s illegal invasion a genocide? What is your personal definition of genocide?
The last time we had a legitimate primary was six years ago because liberals let Biden campaign long enough to prevent a legitimate primary in 2024. Because liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.
centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!
They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.
And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.
FDR. Who also happens to be among the last decent presidents of either party. You centrist DNC pond scum sellouts are still pretending you inherited his legacy, when you really inherited Ronald Reagans. And you cant win elections even running against a criminal clown like trump that anyone even halfway decent should be able to beat without trying. As long as those AIPAC paychecks keep showing though, thats what really matters, right?
Lemmy has proven to me that tankies have more in common with right wingers than liberals.
Yeah that’s the thing about authoritarians; they don’t have a problem with the boot, they just want it to be on the other foot. No better. Different axis, but the political compass looks more like a triangle than a square to me.
Oh noooo authoritarians who use that power to build affordable housing and transportation infrastructure, break up monopolies and capitalist machinations which gouge people trying to pay for food and healthcare. No please noooooooo. Let’s keep fighting this because it’s no different from pedophile billionaires destroying the planet. /s
Uh-oh we’ve summoned them
Thanks for proving their point too.
It’s us or MAGA. Time to make a choice.
Who’s both siding now?
Yeah, they’re so much better for the working man. And they’re doing so well at exporting their culture.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/byd-hungary-china-labour-watch-9.7154249
“Ah, finally free from the tyranny of capitalism!” – the tankie says, barely audible over the sounds of a random minority group being mulched in the background
Uhhuh. Capitalism is evil. Wait… Why’s it evil again? Right; because of the suffering and harm it causes, and siphons the power from many into the hands of a few. And the authoritarian “left” is better because… Trains. Or something. But, come to thinks of it… You know, I heard Germany had a pretty decent rail system too. So perhaps that isn’t the bar by which we should measure success as a society.
I didn’t even say get rid of capitalism. I said “break up monopolies and capitalist machinations”.
That’s funny, I had the opposite experience. When Israel started doing it’s genocide, all the liberals on here were defending it, while the tankies were on the right side of history right from the start.
Where? Is there one example? I never saw one.
I saw a bunch of people hoping trump won over it though. Which made less than no sense.
When did that happen? The closest was people pointing out, correctly, that if you actually cared about Israel’s actions it was obvious that Trump would be worse. That’s not defending genocide, that’s trying to prevent people from making stupid decisions for noble reasons.
When Russia started their genocide in Ukraine those same tankies cheered it though.
I’m sorry, the invasion of Ukraine is a terrible thing, and definitely illegal, but it is not a genocide. Not a single human rights organization or anything like the ICJ, UN, ICC is calling it a genocide.
Russia is currently not in the position to carry out a genocide, unlike Israel, so technically that can be correct. However, not everything is in the actions, something is in the intent as well (trying to commit a crime and failing can still be illegal and punishable), and Russia has made its heinous plans quite clear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_Russia_Should_Do_with_Ukraine
Youre right I don’t think it’s correct at all to call it a genocide. I think they’re just hypersensitive to the minimizing language tankies use a lot, where a lot of historians said “the uyghur genocide” and tankies say “uhm technically there was no mention of genocide from this international rights body so that’s an overreaction.” The implication being that sure it’s not good what’s happening to them, but it’s not THAT bad.
Tankies do a similar thing with Ukraine where they say “they’re just taking back some of the land they rightfully control,” or some other minimization.
No when you kidnap children, strip them of their citizenship and forcibly adopt them out that’s genocide.
Thank you for proving my point.
Ukraine is a genocide. ICJ is trying a case about that very fact.
https://www.ejiltalk.org/another-setback-for-ukraine-the-icj-declares-russias-counter-claims-in-the-ukraine-v-russia-genocide-case-admissible/
The ICJ is hearing counterclaims that Ukraine is committing genocide. So by your standards, Ukraine is committing genocide too. That doesn’t hold up to my standards, so I don’t believe Ukraine is committing genocide (or Russia for that matter).
I only brought up the ICJ because you mentioned it but I don’t need anything besides my eyes to see the truth of the genocide that’s happening.
Ok I guess we have slightly different standards for calling things a genocide then. What did your eyes see that makes you call Russia’s illegal invasion a genocide? What is your personal definition of genocide?
Funny, Reddit has proven to me liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
I’d ask you for an example but we both know you wouldn’t be able to provide one.
A vote for Joe Biden in the 2020 primaries wasn’t a vote against Trump it was a vote against leftists and a dice roll against Trump.
Thanks for proving my point.
Thanks for proving mine.
You went back six years to try to prove your point.
The last time we had a legitimate primary was six years ago because liberals let Biden campaign long enough to prevent a legitimate primary in 2024. Because liberals prefer MAGA over leftists.
Yeah it was totally that and not because Biden, as former VP for a popular President, got credibility across the political spectrum as a safe choice after four years of President TMZ and All Those Rapes.
You’re almost there. What made Joe Biden the “safe choice”?
Because he likes vanilla ice cream. You really can’t go wrong with vanilla.
And also because leftists are a useless political bloc.
centrists get stuff done, right? Like that genocide they funded under Bidens term. Be proud!
They also did a bang up job holding trump accountable for his insurrection and destroying republicans with the Epsten files. Remember that? so much winning. So much gotten done.
And then you go claim leftists get nothing done. What a frickin joke.
When was the last leftist president in office?
Never.
Because like I said:
FDR. Who also happens to be among the last decent presidents of either party. You centrist DNC pond scum sellouts are still pretending you inherited his legacy, when you really inherited Ronald Reagans. And you cant win elections even running against a criminal clown like trump that anyone even halfway decent should be able to beat without trying. As long as those AIPAC paychecks keep showing though, thats what really matters, right?
Oh ho! Now you’ve done it! They’re totally double extra not gonna vote for your candidate now!
They weren’t anyway but now . . . You just pissed off the least powerful non-voters in the electorate! Liberal!
That would mean Joe Biden won the 2020 general election without them.