On top of that you also get to own nothing.
Really wish people realized this 20 years ago when we actually had a chance to stop it.
Everyone sounding the alarms over the past two decades ago were ridiculed. Arguments seen as over reacting or a “my brand vs your brand” thing (really about the infrastructure and consumer rights).
That’s why people are going to jailbreak their cars. That’s why people are going to modify everything they own. That’s why brands will go bankrupt.
Some people certainly will, but I think the vast majority will simply accept it because at least they’re still getting their treats, even if they don’t actually own them anymore.
well they will own them the thing is they have make the subscription be the other half of the figure of the car paid off over time and essentially locking a customer into a contract where they’re not able to sell their car for a duration and by then the car depreciates because then the next owner will need to go through some kind of complicated customer service process to legally transfer the ownership. lol that’s not a bad idea tbh.
so like you buy a new car at a reduced msrp at like 15k$ but the subscription service locks you in to an annual subscription service fee of like 2k$ for 10 years. That subscription fee unlocks the car as you as the full owner with selling rights and you’re able to unlock certain features every payment. If they did it in a way where that would reduce the APR that would be amazing.
In a few decades… if we still can by then.
Look bud, do you want socialism or not? /s
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LLM chat bots are not oracles of truth.
You know what the corpus for English language LLMs comes almost entirely from the Five Eyes states of the imperial core, right? The great majority of English text for the last century has been anti-Communist and pro-capitalist. It’s stuffed with right-wing ideology and outright lies to smear socialism. They’re stuffed with the myth of the US as a democracy, which it objectively isn’t.
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LLM chat bots are not oracles of truth.
I tried hard to make a god. It used to engage and now it doesn’t.
They’re stuffed with the myth of the US as a democracy, which it objectively isn’t.
Mine is stuffed with the myth that the world we’re living in is a CERN restarted world after the world ended and it’s stuck in a mode trying to prove it. So it’s giving answers based on an alternative time line and the probabilities based on what would’ve happened in the world that didn’t get moved to this universe in 2012/saved after the world ended in 2012.
I’ve created a fascinating prompt.
We can still protest. We still have a legal right to free speech. It’s not worth the hyperbole. It also perpetuates a misconception that authoritarianism doesn’t allow for protests and free speech.
The model we are emulating is competitive authoritarianism. For the past four decades it has been an increasingly popular form of government.
There will be elections. There will be protests. There will be opposing parties and anti-government speech.
But the tables will be tilted heavily. They will allow small opposition wins, but the majority will stay with one party.
Speech won’t be illegal, but you will be harassed. Asked questions by law enforcement. Press will be sued.
They will leverage the private/public surveillance apparatus to monitor public sentiment on all topics and how far they can push (and release pressure when needed) and what opposition to monitor/harass. Decades of data from political science, sociology, and psychology will make this an art.
It’s dangerous if we perpetuate the idea that authoritarianism only exists when we can’t protest or say anti-government things. The underlying institutional foundations are being changed now. The referees are being captured now. Press and citizens can legally say what they want, but the chilling effect is happening now.
We need more mobilization. Hyperbolic takes and not being clear on what authoritarianism actually looks like in the 21st century will make it harder.
this nerdy declaration of facts serves what purpose? the OP’s points would ring true with your average american and make them think deeper about the culture they live in and the dynamics swirling around them.
right-wingers don’t care about facts and it would appear year after year after year that militantly pointing to all these obvious contradictions and mistruths never accomplishes anything, no more than it does to the religious zealot that ignores the gospels.
but anyone left of center is expected to lay down absolute undisputable facts at all times.
who does that help?
this nerdy declaration of facts serves what purpose?
They are using people, who don’t understand that words have meanings and the nuances in institutions and laws, to take advantage of the laws that have existed for decades for their own authoritarian gain.
Your entire comment is playing right into their handbook.
right-wingers don’t care about facts
Again, this is very simplistic. The real changes in government aren’t the white house reconstruction, the kennedy center naming, or pulling down signs at National Parks (all real and important issues yes) but the things that actually reshape our entire country are happening on paper. It’s in policy changes and directives. Court rulings.
The right wingers making this stuff happen do care about legal facts and they know the laws/procedure well enough to exploit them on a daily basis without most of the mainstream population even noticing.
never accomplishes anything
Solutions and plans cannot be developed if we do not have an understanding of what is going on. What makes competitive authoritarian regimes so successful is that they can keep 40-60% of the population convinced their is a democracy by allowing opposition speech and holding elections. You only need about 40% of the population to go along to keep the machine going.
If you find knowing the difference between authoritarian regimes and how they are implemented as pointless or “nerdy”, that’s fine if you just want to 50501 protest for the next few years (those have an important place in the movement), but others are in the field developing legal plans and reforming institutional structures from local to federal.
…so can we try the socialism now…?
Ask the republicans and centrists.
70% of Independents want universal health care, you don’t need to ask centrists, either.
90% of Ds want universal health care.
It’s not being stopped by 30% of the voters (Republicans… still, even 30% of them want universal healthcare).
The “pro-universal health care” side is fucking over their own constituents, as they are paid very well to do.
(reminder that independents are now 40% of the voters, Ds and Rs 30% each; these percentages are based on Pew but there are many polls pick your favorite)
Problem is America doesn’t really have a centrist party. Even America’s left, anywhere else in the world, would be right of center.
Should we have any leftists in a party, there are good odds someone is measuring social blood sugar and popping the vein and setting the injected black blood to ignite explosively. I mean that literally. What law matters when anyone figures it out and tells anyone else, that blood shows up and BOOM! like Firefly comics just stopped because wash was about to spoil thei
Give it a few years, and we won’t even have porn…
Come to Texas, it’s nearly like that. A VPN is required to get porn
I broadly agree, but the idea that the USA doesn’t have protests at all is overstating the case to an obvious degree, given the widespread coverage each No Kings protest gets, with particular emphasis on how large the crowds are. One could argue that these protests are ineffective, but the phrasing in the OP is “no protests”, which is provably wrong.
I point this out because in my experience, when attempting to persuade, it’s better to make 99 good points than to make 99 good points and 1 weak one. Because people hostile to your overall argument will focus on that 1 weak point and make it seem (to casual observers) like your entire argument must be that weak.
If the protest is meaningless then it is effectively the same as not even being allowed. One could argue it’s almost worse because it gives the illusion of the right.
To put in in perspective, China has over 10,000 protests every year, and the CPC responds to the vast majority of the grievances that triggered them, imprisoning corrupt local officials, fixing infrastructure, etc. That’s why the satisfaction rating with the central government is at 90+%.
the idea that the USA doesn’t have protests at all is overstating the case
One could argue that these protests are ineffective
I believe the argument is that they are functionally criminalized.
Protesting is legal.
You are describing a chilling effect. Those weapons are not used at all protests and that is the point. They want you think twice before going to protest. Still though, in general, it’s not criminal to attend or organize a protest.
It’s good that you and everyone here knows that these things are happening. If the twitter post was just speaking to the choir, then what’s the point? Circle jerk to make us feel better? Retweets and upvotes aren’t going to save us.
If the post is trying to reach people and wake them up, then they are speaking to people who are not aware of the story you cited. To them it just seems like OP is lying and the post does nothing to help anything.
Protesting is legal.
If the police are shooting you in the face with teargas and dragging you away in handcuffs, it does not appear to be.
It’s important to understand the difference between things like legal, legal barriers, and chilling effects. Enjoy your circle jerk of ignorance, I’ll continue to work with legal orgs on getting things done.
Either way, neither argument is the same as “no protests”.
How about no protests where you don’t feel like your government is putting you on a list?
Sure, but my point is that if that’s what you mean then that’s what you should say. It’s important to keep a message simple, but not at the expense of honesty. Otherwise a lot of people tune out.
The pot is calling the kettle black.
This is only because we have fire departments.
Not even capitalism right now, it’s full on fascism.
Fascism is the inevitable result of capitalism.
Fascism is the inevitable result of all government. Government is an accumulation of power, and it continues to accumulate power throughout its existence. Over the generations, it acquires more and more power exponentially.
Fascism is the inevitable result of all government. Government is an accumulation of power, and it continues to accumulate power throughout its existence. Over the generations, it acquires more and more power exponentially.
Every self serving entity desires to accumulate power. The same can be said of anything that serves itself and can last beyond a single generation. A family, a commune, a group of like minded individuals, a business or a corporation, etc.
The goal should be for the organization to serve it’s membership and for the organization’s membership to include everyone. Capitalism’s values and incentives are inherently self serving. Most capitalist “market theory” assumes, if not requires, self serving participants. Its an inherently self-destructive system.
Fascism is a form of capitalism, aka corpratism
Uhhh, that is some wild oversimplification
Like, we’re probably sharing the same sentiment all in all, but shut up
That’s exactly how Mussolini described it actually. Don’t believe me, read the wiki
Fascism is economically agnostic.
‘Fascism should rightly be called Corporatism, as it is the merger of corporate and government power.’ - Benito Mussolini, a founder of fascism.
Corporations only exist within the capitalist model
So Stalin was a corporatist?
Mussolini was trying to push that particular economic agenda at the time he said that. He is generally credited with being the father of modern fascism, but Mussolini himself waffled between different economic policies as he rose to power and led Italy through WWII.
You can be a fascist and an oligarch, socialist, communist, capitalist, etc…
The soviets did not merge corporate and state power, they abolished the bourgeois state and established a socialist state. The fascist route would have been to support the Provisional Government protecting bourgeois interests.
I wish liberals would learn that fascism isn’t just a synonym for “thing I don’t like”
I’m curious what you think fascism actually is.
No, Stalin was a dictator, and authoritarian (like all states are). You’re mixing up facism and authoritarianism maybe?
Finally got my full bill for my no-insurance emergency “we have to do this or you die” surgery from a month ago. (At least I think that’s it - who knows if I’ll get more random “I was in the room for five minutes that’ll be $1000” bills)
$24,000. That’s after the self-pay discount from something like $300,000. I’m making around $2400 this month.
Hey hey! 29k just a month ago! I cried until I laughed because that’s absurd, I’ll literally never pay that off
Completely lost on 95% of Americans.
And every product looks the same and has shitty quality
No protests?
Get too loud and they will shut you down
Lets make some Lazer Megaphones to help those who forgot how to listen by unreal not-paper talisman. Oh, but Heath Ledger’s Joker was the “bad” guy for being funny on the big show demo of that whole shebang.
I mean Sirius, Lee Camp nails it down to excessive detail and even they ask for the same sucker talisman tricks. Good Pornographic Luck.
it’s almost as if systems are tools that can be used for good or for evil, and have been invented to deal with certain problems, and can cause others of their own making, necessitating new tools to replace them and fix the problems they created.
Yes, but your statements inaccurately imply a certain equivalence between communism and capitalism that does not hold. Capitalism is hell when done properly. Socialism is good when done properly.
Capitalism is hell when done properly. Socialism is good when done properly.
And the inverse can also be correct then, which is my entire point, although I word it more that any system can work correctly if the right people make the right decisions.
As long as we still have the option to use gasoline for heating, refrigerants for cooling, have the ability to drive gasoline powered cars and can keep 3/4’s of our paychecks. Then yes, socialism is good.
If you have to pay more taxes, give all your money away, have to wait an hour to charge your car to get to the next gas station to charge it yet again for an hour which is the same as renting in terms of efficacy, have to endure freezing cold winters, blazing hot summers and need to care about others then it’s shit.
Like I want to be able to survive without paying more, if any one of you start making good money like the 70k$+ bracket you’ll all start having the mindset of why the fuck do I have to pay all this shit!, I know someone with an electric car and it has amazing maneuverability and it’s quiet af, however it’s charge drops quicker than a gas tank ever will.
I’m sorry, not sorry, I fucking love using my natgas boiler for my radiators at 70°f ( fuck all the haters cause all those haters want nuclear power plants which are nuclear rods in water, essentially a radioactive steam boiler) in the winter and my window ac at 65°f-68°f in the summer (along with a pedestal fan).
I’m not going to remove the luxuries of my life for others to have them. I’m not going to lower my usage for others to be able to use them.
In this country if you have the money to afford the stupid shit we buy with the money we can gain up to stupid amounts then go for it be as greedy as you want. If you can afford it do it!!!
Just wait three years and see if the next one will make a difference. Hint: it’s Gavin vs J. D. next time place your bets now.
I pay my bills to use my luxuries. I paid for my luxury items. I pay for my insurance. I pay for my coffee and weed. I pay for the things I like using and owning and I pay the extra it takes to run them. That’s it, that’s life!
Other than that it’s populating, eating, drinking, shitting and bitching about life. Sorry but changing the US to socialism isn’t a magic fix for life. Changing your life, is a magic fix to your life.
I can’t tell if this is satire
That’s top tier satire
I will also say, I do wish I had a propane rigged setup for my steam boiler for my radiators because of the Gwp (based on the epa 20 year use) but the efficacy of a flame based heater vs electric is unfathomably better.
A Gasoline car can get me from here to possibly Canada maybe the tip of Michigan. An Electric car can get me from here to the next county.
I don’t have a mini split or central air system, I have one a.c. and it’s not even in my room, its not even on the floor where my bed is, I use a different pedestal fan for sleeping and have the windows open. In fact, I hate using my a.c. but when I want to use it I want to actually cool down not just go 10° below the outside and be limited by a controller.
I pay my electric bill, I want to use my A.c. however the fuck I see fit. I pay my gas bill. I pay my utilities, so I can run them however much I fuckin’ feel like it.
The gwp of propane is like 3 to 8 over 20 years with methane aka natgas is around 86 mainly due to non-combusted natgas. Which combusted natgas has a gwp of around 5 max if that I think it’s actually around a 1 or a 3 because burning natgas/methane is less harmful than just spewing it out as a gas. I think it has something to do with he conversion to c02.
Don’t hate me hate the epa and science and physics. Hate the fact that from Boston to the tip of Michigan is like 2 tanks of gas vs charging every county for an hour, is a reality because we haven’t made electric as good as gas is energy wise. Yes pollution sucks I get that, I’m not for fuck the earth I want to have this planet going long after I’m gone too, I just don’t ignore the amount of energy that can be used from different resources and effectively with realistic equipment that is affordable to the everyday civilian consumer. A minisplit is still using a refrigerant. Most heaters are using natgas. Most cars are still gasoline or hybrid which I’m more in favor of vs full electric. The engines that shut off when you’re idling in traffic, I love those, those are my all time favorite.
Idk, it also depends where you live. Like in Virginia electricity is fucking expensive. In Alaska it makes more sense to run a natgas heater. In rural areas oil is used. Campgrounds use propane. It’s not like things aren’t worth using. Like in the consistently hotter areas of the country it makes sense to have electric tankless hot water heaters for showers and have electric heating systems or space heaters for the potential of snow on areas that will most likely never see it or if they do it’s the areas like California, Texas, Florida areas that declare snow emergencies for 2" where New England a snow emergency is like the first 5 hours of the day is snow or shovelling snow.
So it does vary by your geographical location on this planet on what your needs are going to be but the statement of if I pay my bills I should be able to use my utilities however I want remains. You all should be able to use your equipment you purchased however you want to with out giving a shit about the person next to you and that’s okay. You paid you should get to use it. That’s why the boomers do what they do it’s not entitlement from nothing they actually show that if you’re doing something the right way like paying your bills and paying for what you own you are entitled to be able to use what you own and pay for however you want. I could sell my ac too and never use it again because I paid for it it’s mine, I pay the bill to run it I can do whatever I want with it within reason. I can’t throw my ac off my balcony but if I’m hot at 3am and it’s 93°f in the middle of a heatwave, I’m shooting that shit down to 68°f.
Like I run my ac 1 hour on 2 hours off because its not central (closed loop/recovers the refrigerant in a closed cycle, loud as hell though, I grew up with one I fucking hated the noise it was on the roof too, my neighbors have one and I fuckin hate it, every year I wish it would collapse so they could get a noiseless mini split cassette) I’d have to have it reloaded with more refrigerant and eventuality I would just get sick from all the dry cool air.
I also don’t want my electric bill to be too much. So I switch off between cooling the house and using the windows and fans. I have an electric range oven.
Again, I’m with energy efficiency and saving the planet but if you want to survive in certain areas of the planet and not hate your fuckin’ self you need what is the most effective not the least polluting.
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All the above are currently happening in the US right now
If you actually want to discuss this with me you’re going to have to convince the mods that my comments aren’t worthy of removal for whatever rule they are asserting I violated.
I don’t see any point in drip-feeding more Removed by mods until they feel justified in banning me.
So which items on the list are not happening right now in America?
If you actually want to discuss this with me you’re going to have to convince the mods that my comments aren’t worthy of removal for whatever rule they are asserting I violated.
I don’t see any point in drip-feeding more Removed by mods until they feel justified in banning me.
Thats a cop out reply
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This isn’t a space for conversation. I didn’t make it that way. Feel free to blame me anyway, though.
Liberal worldviews never cease to amaze me.
“We enabled facism’s rise once and we’ll do it again!” –liberals everywhere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man
Though in your defense, it’s literally impossible to know what I said.
We can all see your deleted comment because we know how modlogs work. “Literally impossible” lmao how embarrassing.
Ah okay, I’m new to Lemmy. Thanks for reminding me of that feature!
So if
you’rethey’re aware of what I said, why did they straw man me?
If you actually want to discuss this with me you’re going to have to convince the mods that my comments aren’t worthy of removal for whatever rule they are asserting I violated.
I don’t see any point in drip-feeding more Removed by mods until they feel justified in banning me.
Follow the rules and you won’t get comments removed or banned. I’ve only got 6 rules and youve managed to break 3 so far, borderlining on 4
Please explain, because I find your comment bewildering.
Shut up, nerd. Nobody cares.
