The entrenched establishment that still controls the DNC isn’t interested in winning elections if it means offending AIPAC or their mega rich and corporate donors. They can’t offer any meaningful change for the working class without risking their own paychecks, so they don’t have any moves except “not Trump.”
Excellent point. If the DNC was captured by AIPAC, then they wouldn’t have primaries, and would instead figure out some way to nominate a pro-Israel candidate undemocratically.
The entrenched establishment that still controls the [Democratic National Committee] [is not] interested in winning elections if it means offending [American Israel Public Affairs Committee] or their mega rich and corporate donors. They [can not] offer any meaningful change for the working class without risking their own paychecks, so they [do not] have any moves except “not Trump.”
The problem is that most people know these organizations by their abbreviations rather than the whole title
Progressives showed up to the primary for New York mayor and the DNC responded with Islamophobia, an anti-socialist manifesto, and threats of splitting the party.
Hopefully a lot more to go. We even got a progressive who won the Democratic primary for Senate in Kentucky, Charles Booker. Though he hasn’t called himself a socialist, he’s running on the same social democratic platform as the DSA-aligned socialists have been.
We showed up for Bernie in droves that the DNC got so scared they conspired AGAINST him to prevent any chance of him being the nominee. I’m done with neo-liberals, they’re as much contemptible as reactionaries, more so because they pretend to be on our side.
Where’s the link where Bernie said he was cheated? Or maybe you can explain why Bernie advocated that everyone vote for the “evil neo-liberal” Harris? Funny how often THAT gets ignored.
Bernie lost BOTH times because he’s not as popular in real life as he is in your bubble. I don’t like that either but it’s reality and you continuing to drive this wedge in the party when Trump is destroying country is NOT was Bernie wants you to do. Unlike you cultists, he has integrity and believes in his causes. YOU do not care about his causes because you help put in office people who set them back by decades.
The link you provided in NO WAY proves that the DNC somehow cheated in all the states Bernie lost. You have to give up this delusional nonsense and face reality. Yes, you have proven that SOME individuals in the DNC preferred Clinton. Guess what? That happens in every single fucking primary. There were people in the DNC who liked Sanders more - but you just discount them altogether because you agree with them. There is NO proof in your link that shows that Sanders would’ve won if those DNC members who didn’t like him didn’t exist. There is definitely no proof that there was voter fraud.
Brad Marshall suggested getting a reporter to question Sanders about whether he believed in God. There is no evidence the proposal was actually carried out.
Mark Paustenbach proposed promoting a story that Sanders’s campaign was disorganized. The suggestion was rejected.
-Schultz’s insults were NOT public before or during the primary.
So several things that never happened and one that was unknown to the public is your apparent proof of nationwide election fraud. Did win Trump win in 2020 as well?
Clinton won approximately 2,205 pledged delegates to Sanders’s 1,846, about 54% to 46%. So superdelegates did not turn the tide in the election.
The lack of debates is also not proof in any way. He had six debates to make his case. He did his best. He lost.
The Bernie-supporter lawsuit was dismissed, so it was not determined if the case had any validity. Is merely bringing lawsuits enough to prove fraud? Because the Republicans tried that like 70 times in 2020 and lost every single one of them.
To be perfectly honest, what you’ve provided is even flimsier than what I expected. There is nothing even approaching solid enough evidence in here to claim he was cheated. You have evidence of bias among a few individuals, NONE of which had their bullshit acted upon. And that’s proof that Clinton didn’t win more elections? You want to pretend that it came down to ONE contest and the DNC cheated there? Her delegate total accumulated across dozens of states/primaries.
This is essentially the same as Trump’s electoral denial. The only difference is that Bernie actually has integrity and Trump does not. Bernie doesn’t claim to have been cheated, Bernie did NOT say to sit out the election in protest.
Every single “progressive” who did that either in 2016 or 2024 is a phoney cultist asshole. They want to pretend that they’re acting in solidarity with Bernie but what they have done is set back the issues Bernie cares about for decades, at least. They’ll be a stain on his legacy.
You’re tilting at windmills, no one accused the DNC of engaging in election fraud (that’s MAGA’s ballpark). The person you replied to said DNC leadership “conspired against” Bernie, which is broad enough to mean a lot of things, including that they coordinated messaging to manufacture controversy around his campaign (as was proven true by the leaked emails).
This guy isn’t worth arguing with, I’ve reviewed posts and its all harassment of left leaning people or straight up sealioning as well as just lumping every person left of their position into the same one they “debated” with before.
TLDR don’t fucking care. Coming out in bad faith elsewhere while sea lioning you deserve absolutely no consideration. I would have thought it apparent but has to be spelled out.
The entrenched establishment that still controls the DNC isn’t interested in winning elections if it means offending AIPAC or their mega rich and corporate donors. They can’t offer any meaningful change for the working class without risking their own paychecks, so they don’t have any moves except “not Trump.”
Over 100 Democrats are voting against funding Israel now. Are they not in the DNC?
Oh wait, yeah they are.
This is why primaries exist if I’m not mistaken.
Excellent point. If the DNC was captured by AIPAC, then they wouldn’t have primaries, and would instead figure out some way to nominate a pro-Israel candidate undemocratically.
These people who bitch and moan online never vote in primaries or actually participate.
I can think of one
Spill the beans
Are Americans going to pop a blood vessel in their eye if they don’t use abrivations for everything?
The problem is that most people know these organizations by their abbreviations rather than the whole title
Holy shit AIPAC stands for that? No wonder about the last few years then
(yeah I’m not american, I also only knew these by their abbreviations)
They’ve been lobbying hard for like 30+ years afaik
They’ve successfully overthrown the government with bribes and blackmail, the upcoming military integration seals it.
Wait ‘til you learn that GOP stands for Republican.
Grand Old Pedophile Party
aka: Greed Over People party
Or, in reality, the progressive voters don’t show up during Democratic primaries and the DNC responds to those who do.
Progressives showed up to the primary for New York mayor and the DNC responded with Islamophobia, an anti-socialist manifesto, and threats of splitting the party.
Have a source on that?
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/top-democrat-racist-tirade-zohran-mamdani_n_6861aab5e4b08e0b4a741231
https://www.jezebel.com/democratic-leaders-join-republicans-islamophobic-attacks-on-zohran-mamdani
https://newrepublic.com/article/199293/democratic-establishment-shunning-mamdani-disqualifying
https://newrepublic.com/post/196734/andrew-cuomo-ad-edited-photo-zohran-mamdani
Among others: Over 30 socialists have won primaries this year, as of a month ago.
With hopefully a few more to go:
Hopefully a lot more to go. We even got a progressive who won the Democratic primary for Senate in Kentucky, Charles Booker. Though he hasn’t called himself a socialist, he’s running on the same social democratic platform as the DSA-aligned socialists have been.
The actual truth, not that Lemmy wants to hear it.
We showed up for Bernie in droves that the DNC got so scared they conspired AGAINST him to prevent any chance of him being the nominee. I’m done with neo-liberals, they’re as much contemptible as reactionaries, more so because they pretend to be on our side.
No, they didn’t. You just believe what you want to believe because the person you like didn’t win. Just like MAGA does. Good for you.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Democratic_National_Committee_email_leak#Bernie_Sanders’s_campaign But hey, pretend you’re right like neo-liberals do.
Where’s the link where Bernie said he was cheated? Or maybe you can explain why Bernie advocated that everyone vote for the “evil neo-liberal” Harris? Funny how often THAT gets ignored.
Bernie lost BOTH times because he’s not as popular in real life as he is in your bubble. I don’t like that either but it’s reality and you continuing to drive this wedge in the party when Trump is destroying country is NOT was Bernie wants you to do. Unlike you cultists, he has integrity and believes in his causes. YOU do not care about his causes because you help put in office people who set them back by decades.
The link you provided in NO WAY proves that the DNC somehow cheated in all the states Bernie lost. You have to give up this delusional nonsense and face reality. Yes, you have proven that SOME individuals in the DNC preferred Clinton. Guess what? That happens in every single fucking primary. There were people in the DNC who liked Sanders more - but you just discount them altogether because you agree with them. There is NO proof in your link that shows that Sanders would’ve won if those DNC members who didn’t like him didn’t exist. There is definitely no proof that there was voter fraud.
-Schultz’s insults were NOT public before or during the primary.
So several things that never happened and one that was unknown to the public is your apparent proof of nationwide election fraud. Did win Trump win in 2020 as well?
Clinton won approximately 2,205 pledged delegates to Sanders’s 1,846, about 54% to 46%. So superdelegates did not turn the tide in the election.
The lack of debates is also not proof in any way. He had six debates to make his case. He did his best. He lost.
The Bernie-supporter lawsuit was dismissed, so it was not determined if the case had any validity. Is merely bringing lawsuits enough to prove fraud? Because the Republicans tried that like 70 times in 2020 and lost every single one of them.
To be perfectly honest, what you’ve provided is even flimsier than what I expected. There is nothing even approaching solid enough evidence in here to claim he was cheated. You have evidence of bias among a few individuals, NONE of which had their bullshit acted upon. And that’s proof that Clinton didn’t win more elections? You want to pretend that it came down to ONE contest and the DNC cheated there? Her delegate total accumulated across dozens of states/primaries.
This is essentially the same as Trump’s electoral denial. The only difference is that Bernie actually has integrity and Trump does not. Bernie doesn’t claim to have been cheated, Bernie did NOT say to sit out the election in protest.
Every single “progressive” who did that either in 2016 or 2024 is a phoney cultist asshole. They want to pretend that they’re acting in solidarity with Bernie but what they have done is set back the issues Bernie cares about for decades, at least. They’ll be a stain on his legacy.
You’re tilting at windmills, no one accused the DNC of engaging in election fraud (that’s MAGA’s ballpark). The person you replied to said DNC leadership “conspired against” Bernie, which is broad enough to mean a lot of things, including that they coordinated messaging to manufacture controversy around his campaign (as was proven true by the leaked emails).
This guy isn’t worth arguing with, I’ve reviewed posts and its all harassment of left leaning people or straight up sealioning as well as just lumping every person left of their position into the same one they “debated” with before.
TLDR don’t fucking care. Coming out in bad faith elsewhere while sea lioning you deserve absolutely no consideration. I would have thought it apparent but has to be spelled out.