• ExtremeDullard@piefed.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    89
    arrow-down
    3
    ·
    15 days ago

    Cuz ya know, if there’s one thing Singapore is touchy about considering its long historical ties with the Middle East, it’s Palestine and the fate of Jews and Arabs there.

    Honestly, what do they care? Don’t they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?

    • acargitz@lemmy.caOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      125
      ·
      edit-2
      15 days ago

      They care about enforcing censorship and keeping a lid on “politics” disrupting “social harmony”. Once again Palestine is an issue that unearths the deeper fractures and contradictions in a society.

      • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        14 days ago

        keeping a lid on “politics” disrupting “social harmony”

        Also known as punishing people who talk back to authority.

        • VAK@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          9
          arrow-down
          3
          ·
          15 days ago

          They have put in proper rule of law, so not like ccp. And although it’s defacto single party, it’s not de jure. But yeah, freedom of expression-wise it’s below average.

          • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            14 days ago

            Rule of law is not so different from corruption in Singapore which literally just a tax haven. It goes from “I know a guy who’ll take 100k to fix this” to “I know a guy who will incorporate a shell company for 100k to fix this”. All it does it makes corruption exclusive to mega rich.

            • VAK@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              2
              ·
              14 days ago

              Rule of law just means rule of law. It doesn’t mean everyone gets same level of power or that it’s a fair system. It just minimizes uncertainty and human arbitraryness.

              • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                4
                ·
                14 days ago

                Yes but CCP controls all trade while it’s much harder in free democracies. If CCP actually cares about something it is done immediately. Just take a look at trade war with the US, CCP is always 10 steps ahead because they can move so fast as they can’t be held accountable. That’s actually why there are so many autocracy proponents in the west now - “democracy is too slow, we’re losing”.

                  • phutatorius@lemmy.zip
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    1
                    ·
                    14 days ago

                    They have high approval within the Chinese populace.

                    Just like Trump has high approval among Fox viewers. Propaganda works.

                    You and so many are so deluded by propaganda about China.

                    And you’re not? Or do you just like the taste of jackboot?

                  • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    2
                    arrow-down
                    4
                    ·
                    14 days ago

                    I’ve been to China many times too and it does not rock lmao. You’ve been eating propaganda and it shows. China is extremely oppressive and it’s still incredibly underdeveloped despite LED covered cities you see on tiktok. It’s still a matchmaker and status driven society from 20th century despite EV tech.

                    Also freedom is not binary, the west is more free than China ever was. At least I can type “LGBT” to my chat app which you cannot do in China because CCP autocrats deem it “western propaganda”. None of this is a worthy sacrifice for faster decision making, I’d rather be slightly poorer but live in a healthier more free society.

                    You’re a fool.

              • kreskin@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                1
                ·
                14 days ago

                people say its money that makes the world go round, but I think its more accurate to say trade makes the world go round.

            • thatsnomayo [he/him]@lemmy.mlBannedB
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              1
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              13 days ago

              Lmao another american demanding china enforce unilateral sanctions on every country that trades with israel in order to cut them off. What do you think would happen? Europeans or americans would just sell them chinese shit. You haven’t thought about this for five seconds. They would need to cut themselves off from every single nation in the US bloc, defeating the entire purpose of their economic strategy

              What happened to the palestinian reporters al jazeera hired, by the way? Does your smushed walnut brain even have room for WHO RUNS AL JAZEERA 🤣 ?

                • thatsnomayo [he/him]@lemmy.mlBannedB
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  1
                  ·
                  12 days ago

                  Do you really think you can talk down to me when you didn’t even bother to research Hamas’ stance on China? Are you a total fruit loop up there?

                  • Rioting Pacifist@lemmy.world
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    ·
                    12 days ago

                    Yes, if you think Hamas is interchangeable with the will of the Palestinian people, I think everyone should talk down to you.

          • Dr. Moose@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            2
            ·
            14 days ago

            CCP is not pro anything. It’s funny how autocracy founded on explicit design documents is one the biggest real politik actors out there.

            “Oceania was at war with Eurasia: therefore Oceania had always been at war with Eurasia.” - 1984

            CCP officially justifies these as “use any means for achieving goals” and this is the entire party - just power for power sake. There’s no actual ideology or consciousness - it’s literally “The Party” from 1984. However I don’t want to discredit Chinese people who actually do make meaningful change but it’s in spite of CCP not because of it.

    • NewDark@lemmy.today
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      21
      ·
      15 days ago

      Well, theres this really insane military power that they’re close trading partners with that really cares about their little ethnostate vassal.

    • A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      2
      ·
      edit-2
      15 days ago

      Don’t they have other things to worry about on the other side of the planet?

      Palestine-Singapore is not that far away compared to, say, Palestine-USA.

      • Tiral@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        5
        arrow-down
        6
        ·
        15 days ago

        USA gives zero shits about Singapore. They try to insert themselves into a narrative to try to feel relevant.