The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time. She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere. Because they had such a stranglehold on the “left wing” of our political system. What changed is that’s no longer the case. The Democratic party is falling to shit because of the centrists who are basically Republicans at this point. So she is leaving that party and going back to the DSA and solidifying her position there because like her we all need to abandon the Democratic party and embrace Democratic socialism.
DSA is not a party. That’s part of the reason it’s unable to discipline elected officials . . . which is one reason that AOC is able to do nonsense like “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” and find no reprecussion from the org.
But nobody leaves DSA to join the Democrats. Most DSA members ARE registered Democrats, especially in closed primary states.
The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time.
I’d love a source for this claim.
She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere.
The DSA is a political organization, not a political party. They do not run candidates. They do endorse people.
If you are DSA and run for office, you run as a Democrat or Independent or whatever else.
So this is two strikes against you knowing what you’re talking about.
So she is leaving that party and going back to the DSA
You are ignorant of what the DSA actually is.
because like her we all need to abandon the Democratic party and embrace Democratic socialism.
I support the DSA because they are the most progressive organization out there, and they are actually getting support, so I feel my support of them increases the visibility and support for progressive ideas. And I am not afraid of the word “socialism”, and if “democratic socialism” takes off and helps us get human rights, social safety nets, and all the other things, I’m all for it.
That said, most people who are running for office who affiliate with the DSA will be running as… wait for it… Democrats.
No, the source does not make that claim. But more importantly, I see you’re ignoring the rest of their misinformation. Even if I concede that point, which I am not prepared to do, the rest of their comment is sheer bullshit.
I didn’t say anything about the rest of their comment. You asked for a source and I provided it.
How on earth does a source talking about the DSA deliberately withdrawing their support not contradict your claim that they “didn’t notice” she wasn’t a member?
It added: “Previously, the representative joined DSA in 2018 with a one-year membership, which DSA’s national leadership recently noticed had lapsed, in 2019. She has since renewed her membership as of this month.”
AOC has previously made a deliberate point of talking about not being a member of the national organization, but rather her local one. The national DSA withdrew their conditional endorsement over her stance on Israel.
Now that they’re making amends, they’re putting it that way to be diplomatic, as though it was a simple oversight. But there have been significant rifts and disagreements, so it isn’t a non-story like you suggested.
Now you’re making new claims that are NOT in the article that you have not sourced.
Don’t bother, I don’t care enough to look further nor care more to listen to you. Have a day. Maybe even a good day. :) But certainly have a day (becuse the alternate would suck, and I’m attempting humour by implying "have a bad day’, but it’s just being silly at you. In case that feels like mixed messages, our interaction is irritating, but c’est la vie, humour indicates it’s not personal, just disagreement with what you’re saying)
The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time. She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere.
That’s not how it works though. DSA is legally a 501c4. It parasitize the Democratic ballot line, but any DSA member running on the Dem ballot line wouldn’t have to give up their DSA membership.
What happened here was likely that her dues lapsed without her knowing(a thing that happens relatively often, and it isn’t anyone’s fault), and nobody noticed. National has to submit requests to the relevant staff for that information, so they weren’t checking. And NYC-DSA, who would have been the ones responsible for checking when doing endorsements, just assumed she was a still paying dues, when she wasn’t.
The tea party was just a movement, not a political party, and they eventually took over the Republican Party. I expect this will eventually happen because they don’t want to split the party or make a new one that’s never going to win major elections.
Yes I’m glad they’re winning more elections this year but it really has more to do with anti-Trump, anti-tech feelings and progressive messaging than the DSA itself. They have some stupid out of touch nonsense on their website that just provides fodder to use against their candidates.
If I ran as a progressive I’m not sure I’d affiliate with them.
I’m as left wing as they get but I wont support the closest American political group with a chance at getting representation in government. In fact, I’ll actively denigrate and discourage others from supporting them too. That’ll unlock the future I claim to want!
If they run (or endorse, whatever) another ex-military psycho candidate with a Nazi tattoo I’m gonna really stop trusting them. Til then when they show up I’ll vote for em, sure. But absolutely no veterans and no Neo Nazi / Nazi affiliate whatsoever.
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave. In 1860 he was a famous speaker who had a lot of influence even though he himself couldn’t vote. He had a choice; support the Abolition candidate who had virtually no chance of winning the election, or throw his support behind Abe Lincoln. Lincoln’s position was that saving the Union was more important than freeing the slaves.
Douglas chose Lincoln. He figured that it was better to have an actual win and be able to talk to the President, than it was to lose and be out in the cold.
So you agree that leftists should be concerned with seizing control of the Democratic Party and other levers of power? Rather than, say, cosplaying as effete revolutionaries culturally repellent to the working class?
I’m not upset that you don’t like unjust hierarchies, I’m amused that you picked the silliest possible way to express it.
And I did in fact answer your question. It’s not my fault you didn’t understand it.
Back in the Spanish Civil War the anarchist troops happily took orders and worked with other groups in a bigger cause.
Reread what I wrote and really think about it.
Here’s a history lesson.
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave. In 1860 he was a famous speaker who had a lot of influence even though he himself couldn’t vote. He had a choice; support the Abolition candidate who had virtually no chance of winning the election, or throw his support behind Abe Lincoln. Lincoln’s position was that saving the Union was more important than freeing the slaves.
Douglas chose Lincoln. He figured that it was better to have an actual win and be able to talk to the President, than it was to lose and be out in the cold.
The left wing should be taking over the Democratic Party and seizing levers of power, not cosplaying as revolutionaries in the DSA, the organization responsible for moronic slogans like “defund the police.”
That’s been the strategy for 10 years, since Bernie’s first run.
How’s that working?
I’m not knocking the DSA, but the idea of a left-wing takeover of the Democratic Party is less applicable than ever. Unlike 2016, the centrist Dems are well aware of the threat to their left - and it’s obvious, that’s the ONLY thing they’re determined to stop. Which is why they’re currently spending their time attacking Hassan Piker and anyone else opposing the genocide in Gaza, not Donald Trump.
Any victory you find in the Democratic Party will be pyrric at best, imho. By the time you defeat these people, what will be left?
If I had ANY EVIDENCE that supporting organizations like the DSA would help left wing goals, then I would do so. Instead of providing such evidence you’re spouting nonsense ideology at me and literally proving my point.
The DSA didn’t originate that slogan, and it was originally “Defund, disarm, disband the police.” Anyway, how can anyone “seize the levers of power” without changing anything about how policing works in this country?
Also, taking over the Democratic Party from the inside is literally the DSA’s stated goal. Why are you so mad at them? They agree with you on this one!
If you don’t have power, you’re not changing the police.
This isn’t about ideology for me. I actually want the police defunded and reformed. If I thought joining the dork squad would get me closer to that goal, I would do so.
The DSA didn’t “notice” anything. They’ve known the whole time. She left the DSA to join the Democratic party because the Democratic party was the only way to get elected anywhere. Because they had such a stranglehold on the “left wing” of our political system. What changed is that’s no longer the case. The Democratic party is falling to shit because of the centrists who are basically Republicans at this point. So she is leaving that party and going back to the DSA and solidifying her position there because like her we all need to abandon the Democratic party and embrace Democratic socialism.
DSA is not a party. That’s part of the reason it’s unable to discipline elected officials . . . which is one reason that AOC is able to do nonsense like “working tirelessly for a ceasefire” and find no reprecussion from the org.
But nobody leaves DSA to join the Democrats. Most DSA members ARE registered Democrats, especially in closed primary states.
I’d love a source for this claim.
The DSA is a political organization, not a political party. They do not run candidates. They do endorse people.
If you are DSA and run for office, you run as a Democrat or Independent or whatever else.
So this is two strikes against you knowing what you’re talking about.
You are ignorant of what the DSA actually is.
I support the DSA because they are the most progressive organization out there, and they are actually getting support, so I feel my support of them increases the visibility and support for progressive ideas. And I am not afraid of the word “socialism”, and if “democratic socialism” takes off and helps us get human rights, social safety nets, and all the other things, I’m all for it.
That said, most people who are running for office who affiliate with the DSA will be running as… wait for it… Democrats.
Including AOC.
So please go do a little research.
The source is literally in the OP article.
Ocasio-Cortez Loses the Democratic Socialists’ Endorsement Over Israel
No, the source does not make that claim. But more importantly, I see you’re ignoring the rest of their misinformation. Even if I concede that point, which I am not prepared to do, the rest of their comment is sheer bullshit.
I didn’t say anything about the rest of their comment. You asked for a source and I provided it.
How on earth does a source talking about the DSA deliberately withdrawing their support not contradict your claim that they “didn’t notice” she wasn’t a member?
Do you not understand language?
AOC has previously made a deliberate point of talking about not being a member of the national organization, but rather her local one. The national DSA withdrew their conditional endorsement over her stance on Israel.
Now that they’re making amends, they’re putting it that way to be diplomatic, as though it was a simple oversight. But there have been significant rifts and disagreements, so it isn’t a non-story like you suggested.
Now you’re making new claims that are NOT in the article that you have not sourced.
Don’t bother, I don’t care enough to look further nor care more to listen to you. Have a day. Maybe even a good day. :) But certainly have a day (becuse the alternate would suck, and I’m attempting humour by implying "have a bad day’, but it’s just being silly at you. In case that feels like mixed messages, our interaction is irritating, but c’est la vie, humour indicates it’s not personal, just disagreement with what you’re saying)
That’s not how it works though. DSA is legally a 501c4. It parasitize the Democratic ballot line, but any DSA member running on the Dem ballot line wouldn’t have to give up their DSA membership.
What happened here was likely that her dues lapsed without her knowing(a thing that happens relatively often, and it isn’t anyone’s fault), and nobody noticed. National has to submit requests to the relevant staff for that information, so they weren’t checking. And NYC-DSA, who would have been the ones responsible for checking when doing endorsements, just assumed she was a still paying dues, when she wasn’t.
DSA isn’t a party though
The tea party was just a movement, not a political party, and they eventually took over the Republican Party. I expect this will eventually happen because they don’t want to split the party or make a new one that’s never going to win major elections.
The DSA is famously embarrassing and incompetent. I’m as left wing as it gets and I wouldn’t want to be associated with those dumbasses.
Yes I’m glad they’re winning more elections this year but it really has more to do with anti-Trump, anti-tech feelings and progressive messaging than the DSA itself. They have some stupid out of touch nonsense on their website that just provides fodder to use against their candidates.
If I ran as a progressive I’m not sure I’d affiliate with them.
I’m as left wing as they get but I wont support the closest American political group with a chance at getting representation in government. In fact, I’ll actively denigrate and discourage others from supporting them too. That’ll unlock the future I claim to want!
If they run (or endorse, whatever) another ex-military psycho candidate with a Nazi tattoo I’m gonna really stop trusting them. Til then when they show up I’ll vote for em, sure. But absolutely no veterans and no Neo Nazi / Nazi affiliate whatsoever.
Better add the ‘sarcasm’ symbol. I’ve seen plenty of folks say pretty much the exact same thing unironically
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So you think that I, an anarchist, should support pro-Russian-imperialist, anti-science orgs like the DSA? Why? So we can come up with ineffective slogans and ban some words?
EDIT: weird that nobody can answer this very direct and simple question, but lots of downvotes.
Here’s a history lesson.
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave. In 1860 he was a famous speaker who had a lot of influence even though he himself couldn’t vote. He had a choice; support the Abolition candidate who had virtually no chance of winning the election, or throw his support behind Abe Lincoln. Lincoln’s position was that saving the Union was more important than freeing the slaves.
Douglas chose Lincoln. He figured that it was better to have an actual win and be able to talk to the President, than it was to lose and be out in the cold.
So you agree that leftists should be concerned with seizing control of the Democratic Party and other levers of power? Rather than, say, cosplaying as effete revolutionaries culturally repellent to the working class?
I literally laughed out loud when I read your comment.
You call yourself an ‘anarchist’ and then get on other people for cosplaying?
Anarchism maps my beliefs. Are you upset I don’t like unjust hierarchies?
My original question is why I would ever support the DSA, something nobody is able to answer.
I’m not upset that you don’t like unjust hierarchies, I’m amused that you picked the silliest possible way to express it.
And I did in fact answer your question. It’s not my fault you didn’t understand it.
Back in the Spanish Civil War the anarchist troops happily took orders and worked with other groups in a bigger cause.
Reread what I wrote and really think about it.
Here’s a history lesson.
Frederick Douglas was an escaped slave. In 1860 he was a famous speaker who had a lot of influence even though he himself couldn’t vote. He had a choice; support the Abolition candidate who had virtually no chance of winning the election, or throw his support behind Abe Lincoln. Lincoln’s position was that saving the Union was more important than freeing the slaves.
Douglas chose Lincoln. He figured that it was better to have an actual win and be able to talk to the President, than it was to lose and be out in the cold.
I don’t care what you do because I’m positive it’s going to be inconsequential and ineffective.
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Woke 1 was crazy, amirite 😜
And let’s continue funding Israel’s Iron Dome, so that nobody in the region can retaliate 😊
DSA is the field, not the team. If you’re left wing, you go there because that’s where you can find left wing people to organize.
The left wing should be taking over the Democratic Party and seizing levers of power, not cosplaying as revolutionaries in the DSA, the organization responsible for moronic slogans like “defund the police.”
That’s been the strategy for 10 years, since Bernie’s first run.
How’s that working?
I’m not knocking the DSA, but the idea of a left-wing takeover of the Democratic Party is less applicable than ever. Unlike 2016, the centrist Dems are well aware of the threat to their left - and it’s obvious, that’s the ONLY thing they’re determined to stop. Which is why they’re currently spending their time attacking Hassan Piker and anyone else opposing the genocide in Gaza, not Donald Trump.
Any victory you find in the Democratic Party will be pyrric at best, imho. By the time you defeat these people, what will be left?
How can you say it doesn’t work when that’s literally what maga did?
Of course you support entryism. How unthinkable is it for you people that maybe your police doesn’t need military equipment?
If I had ANY EVIDENCE that supporting organizations like the DSA would help left wing goals, then I would do so. Instead of providing such evidence you’re spouting nonsense ideology at me and literally proving my point.
The DSA didn’t originate that slogan, and it was originally “Defund, disarm, disband the police.” Anyway, how can anyone “seize the levers of power” without changing anything about how policing works in this country?
Also, taking over the Democratic Party from the inside is literally the DSA’s stated goal. Why are you so mad at them? They agree with you on this one!
If you don’t have power, you’re not changing the police.
This isn’t about ideology for me. I actually want the police defunded and reformed. If I thought joining the dork squad would get me closer to that goal, I would do so.