The Ukrainian president warned airlines, insurers and foreign governments that the growing scale of Kyiv’s drone operations would make Russian airspace increasingly unsafe for aircraft.

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    Nah man. I’m not denying reality, of course Russia did invade Ukraine. You’re not proving or disproving anything, lol. The UN vote back in 2022 also doesn‘t say anything about international support, it only confirms the international condemnation of the invasion. But you surely also can see the huge yellow parts, right?

    Your yapping about the German government, pretending like there’s no bigger dynamics going on is just as ridiculous as your pseudo-innocent takes. Germany is complicit in the genocide and are actively repressing opposition to their own criminality. Further, as if it’s only the German government, that does not recognize the truth about Israel and Palestine, right, not like in the UK people are being arrested left and right for the terrorism of speaking out. The EU sanctions their own journalists. In the US people are getting deported. Hell, they freaking bought TikTok and gave it to a Zionist billionaire to smother uncensored Palestine reporting, by getting a hold of the algorithm, after which it became a right wing pro Israel platform. This also has been openly admitted by, … dunno who it was, Graham or some ghoul.

    Obvisously it is unwilling to risk allowing antisemitism to rise again, and that’s a valid concern, so I understand why, but (…)

    Ah, right, that’s where you coming from. Quite exposing from an anti-zionist perspective. Way to defend a genocide supporting and war facilitating country. Very considered of you.

    That doesn’t mean that Russia isn’t targeting civilians in this war. It’s not the good guy.

    Nobody said that, further bad faithing. You pretend, as if I haven’t explained entirely different dynamics. BuT rUsSiA, sToP lOoKiNg At OuR sO-cAlLeD dEmOcRaCiEs!!!1

    It doesn’t need to be at war with Ukraine.

    But it decided, that it needed to, in order to survive against NATO aggression. It’s not like there’s an undo button. And only denying them their perspective and pretending like NATO is not the most dangerous organization on earth would be quite the unequal measure. Maybe that wouldn‘t have happened, if the Ukrainian fascists didn‘t murder 14.000 of their fellow landsman, just because they were Russian speaking. Who knows. But there’s no reason to ignore reality. Except, if you’re ignorant, not interested in truth seeking or have an agenda.

    Unfortunately the world is more complicated than “the West is bad and everyone against the West is good”.

    Unfortunately, I didn’t say that “everyone against the West is good”. That’s not even an argument, it’s nothing but an empty phrase. You’ve got nothing. But yes, the West is the bane if humanity. It‘s the main aggressor, exploiter, polluter and oppressor. It‘s a fact. Again, no need to deny reality. The world is moving on, they‘re fed up with it.

    Thanks for showing your allegiance. So you’re not acting out of naivity, but purposefully. Noted. You know, back in early '24, if you acted like that, but focused on the topic of I/P, you’d be marked as a Hasbara agent. You gotta stay more organic and sincere with your answers. Your professional deflection speak is unauthentic. Say, have you considered not to sell your soul?

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      OK, I suppose that’s my fault for trying to establish a human rapport by acknowledging that we both find German governmental policy towards Israel frustrating. I guess it was a little condescending, but I didn’t mean it to be. But fuck me I guess. I retract the attempt to empathize with you.

      Can we go back to discussing the issue? I’m gonna ignore the parts of your comment that were just personal attacks on me, but I’m only gonna do that once.

      The UN vote back in 2022 also doesn‘t say anything about international support, it only confirms the international condemnation of the invasion. But you surely also can see the huge yellow parts, right?

      Yes I can. I can also see the huge green parts. Considering that you said:

      Ukraine has no international goodwill

      …I think pointing out that 141 voted in favor of the resolution is a fair rebuttal to your claim. I think it’s possible that when I say “support”, I mean something different than you mean.

      Germany is complicit in the genocide and are actively repressing opposition to their own criminality. Further, as if it’s only the German government, that does not recognize the truth about Israel and Palestine, right, not like in the UK people are being arrested left and right for the terrorism of speaking out. The EU sanctions their own journalists. In the US people are getting deported. Hell, they freaking bought TikTok and gave it to a Zionist billionaire to smother uncensored Palestine reporting, by getting a hold of the algorithm, after which it became a right wing pro Israel platform. This also has been openly admitted by, … dunno who it was, Graham or some ghoul.

      My underlying point was that the German government was not motivated by malice but by fear of allowing itself to be overcome with antisemitism again, so it’s overcorrecting and now ironically it’s once again, as you say, complicit in genocide. The fact that we agree on the complicity in genocide was what I hoped would form common ground between us, but I think you thought I was trying to justify genocide and, well, now we’re here.

      Nobody said that, further bad faithing. You pretend, as if I haven’t explained entirely different dynamics. BuT rUsSiA, sToP lOoKiNg At OuR sO-cAlLeD dEmOcRaCiEs!!!1

      I honestly don’t know what you’re trying to say here. Can you rephrase?

      But it decided, that it needed to, in order to survive against NATO aggression. It’s not like there’s an undo button. And only denying them their perspective and pretending like NATO is not the most dangerous organization on earth would be quite the unequal measure. Maybe that wouldn‘t have happened, if the Ukrainian fascists didn‘t murder 14.000 of their fellow landsman, just because they were Russian speaking. Who knows. But there’s no reason to ignore reality.

      Do you really want to commit to the claim that the only reason that there was a war in Ukraine between 2014 and 2022 was that some Ukrainians wanted to kill other Ukrainians for speaking Russian? That’s really the theory you’re willing to hang your hat on? I’ll debate that point if you want, but I sincerely doubt you actually believe that.

      Unfortunately, I didn’t say that “everyone against the West is good”. That’s not even an argument, it’s nothing but an empty phrase. You’ve got nothing. But yes, the West is the bane if humanity. It‘s the main aggressor, exploiter, polluter and oppressor. It‘s a fact. Again, no need to deny reality. The world is moving on, they‘re fed up with it.

      I really don’t think any of that is true.