The Ukrainian president warned airlines, insurers and foreign governments that the growing scale of Kyiv’s drone operations would make Russian airspace increasingly unsafe for aircraft.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      Right? I came in here to comment “Imagine Trump trying to convey that level of nuance. Or even be able to comprehend it.” heh.

      I’m glad that Ukraine IS being considerate of civilians, unlike Russia. I think it’s crazy that people hold Ukraine to such higher standards - although in fairness, I would hope that they do strive for such standards. It’s part of why much of the world is on their side in the first place.

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      Except Zelenskyy specifically said that Ukraine WON’T target civilian aircraft. He said that there are going to be more and more drones in Russian airspace which will, naturally, make flying in that airspace riskier and more prone to collisions. He doesn’t want Ukraine to get blamed if a civilian aircraft flies into one of the many drones swarming Russian airspace, or if it gets hit by all the Russian AA firing on those drones. Since when is pointing out that warzones are dangerous, terrorism?

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      Boy you’re gonna be pissed when I tell you what’s Russia been doin past 4 years

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        He won’t. He’ll just have a million of “convenient” reasons why Russian terrorism is good, because it’s a terrorism against “bad west” and fascists and liberals. Like all of those ml bots always do.

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        Shooting civilian airplanes is terrorism. No amount of whinging will save you.

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          The Ukrainian president warned airlines, insurers and foreign governments that the growing scale of Kyiv’s drone operations would make Russian airspace increasingly unsafe for aircraft.

          You don’t even have to read the article, it’s right here in the summary. Where does it say they will target civilian planes?

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    If I were a master tactitcian, I would say this publicly knowing that Russia will not restrict its own airspace to avoid pissing off the people he really doesn’t want to piss off.

    But when the Russians see the drones, they will not be booking flights. I imagine pilots may avoid flying all together. This will neuter air transport.

    Everything must be done by ground - train or automotive. Ukraine can then target russian transport infrastructure to inhibit the movement of troops, supplies, weapons, and important economic streams.

    Wars are not won by out killing the enemy. Wars are won when logistics are halted.

    Cut off the food, water, fuel and ammo to the front line, and it shatters.

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      It’s also gives Ukraine an out if a civilian plane is hit. They should do there due diligence but if there is a plane flying and it sucks a drone into the engine. It wouldn’t be a big suprise.

    • 🌞 Alexander Daychilde 🌞@lemmy.world
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      But Ukraine IS a nazi state! They do nazi civilians as valid targets, they do nazi committing war crimes as a positive, they certainly do nazi Russians having any success in Ukraine!

      ;-)

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        I thought the script was that Europeans are all Nazis and the only true democracy is the USSR and it’s faithful and loving Father Stalin/Lennon/Putin. /S

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      Anyone still hanging on to that russian fairy tale must be either missing around half a brain or getting paid by the FSB.

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          Holy crap they do. I just bumped into a bunch in technology. One guy told me Russia is a victim of "imperialist encirclement ". I was just commenting on a supposed laser weapon they may or may not have.

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            Which is in fact true, this is part of the US‘s pivot to Asia (since Obama). If you‘d care you could read about that stuff in their National Security Strategy papers, like the one from 2022 under Biden and from 2025 under Trump.

            China is the main threat for western Capitalism, most importantly for the US Empire, as they are the currency monopoly, military bully and world hegemon. Russia as the strongest ally of China protects China‘s northern land mass border just by existing. For that it‘s important to balkanize Russia (the U.S. Helsinki Commission actually calls it „Decolonizing Russia: A Moral and Strategic Imperative“). This means to forcefully break the country up into smaller, more manageable regions.

            Anyway, the general idea for Europe is to take care of Russia, so the US is able to focus on the indo-pacific, meaning China. It‘s the geo-strategic reality of the western block to remain (or regain) world dominance. It‘s capitalism in it‘s highest stage, imperialism.

            This is a very common political analysis, not only shared by communists. It‘s just that most folks on lemmy are basing their political understanding on vibes and what western corporate media tells them. It‘s a choice to go beyond that.

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        Russia doesn’t pay those guys; just like it doesn’t pay the Alberta hillbillies it lies to about separation and ‘RoC’ and other conservative slop.

        It pays the bot farms.

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          Russia pays the bot farms and some of the mouthpieces. Tim Pool and his ilk that got caught taking money from Moscow.

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    Is Zelensky gonna pull an MH17 on Russia? As much as I support Ukraine, that would be a bad look… I guess the context will be different since there is now a warning and I doubt Ukraine would target jet liners like that intentionally but still, it’s getting into “does the end really justify the means” territory

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      He’s not saying “we’re gonna target civilian aircraft”, he’s saying “we’re starting to really like using drones to hit various targets in Russia and are planning on doing more of that, so civilian aircraft might wanna avoid flying through Russia because it’s gonna be hard to fly around all the drones there”.

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      By credibly warning that he intends to close the airspace he can make airlines think twice about flying in Russia in general and near Ukraine in particular, likely damaging the Russian economy even without actually lifting a finger. Who knows how serious he is

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      No, but its an active war zone and he is providing a clear warning that its extremely hazardous

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    This may be a bit off-topic, but I think we can draw a parallel between Putins clusterfuck of a clown war and Trumps operation Epstein fury.

    Turns out if you purge your entire military leadership and replace them with incompetent corrupt sycophantic asslickers before you do the funny, you’re in for a bad time.

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      There was a learning period where the USA saw what ukraine can do with a larger force. Russia lost because of corruption America is not doing well because of incompetence.

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      Is there a tactical advantage to hitting there. Considering Russia military is struggling to get equipment to other parts of Russia that shows how much Russia has lost control of there own airspace.

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        i don’t think so it’s just that the post reminded me of the eastern part of the country and the trans-siberian rail.

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      Not yet, but they can reach past the Ural mountains, they’ve hit targets in Yekaterinburg and Omsk. Most Russians live west of the Urals, so disrupting all that airspace is enough to disrupt personal life and production facilities. It won’t disrupt resource extraction related logistics, but that’s because that was never by air to begin with.