It’s consistent. Their goal isn’t to uplift the West to leftist values, it’s to destroy the West for the sake of Chinese or Russian realpolitik or just plain anti-colonial revenge. A deeply Balkanized US that kills itself and diminishes its own power is one of the best things they could hope for.
Large nations can only maintain themselves through oppression. The dynamic of voluntary association with other nations is very different from that. Unity can be good or bad. It depends on the context.
Economic suffering of the lower classes is already guaranteed, as it has been for many decades in the USA, worse and worse practically every year.
The federal government is incredibly expensive, and not worth the cost; we really would be okay without a world-dominating military that can attack anywhere in the world in 24 hours. Our state governments are 100% capable and there is no need of the redundancy.
The FED goliath all costs much more than the returns, and only makes the military and banker profiteers wealthy.
Economic suffering of the lower classes is already guaranteed, as it has been for many decades in the USA, worse and worse practically every year.
Literally not. There are ways to reduce suffering via a UBI + rent stabilization + jobs bills like we’ve done in the past, for instance. It happened during covid—we have the infrastructure. That alone could offset a shitton of unnecessary suffering while they figure out a new economic model. A UBI can be temporary or not if necessary. Point is—there are options. You just gave up is all. That’s a you problem. “Economic suffering of the lower classes is already guaranteed”
Even if there is suffering that is going to happen, balkanization is not the best option. It just takes some creative thinking by people.
I mean, I agree that balkanization isn’t the most ideal scenario. I’d much rather see a socialist revolution take over the whole country. Much better outcomes for nearly everyone.
No because that’s not what Balkanization means. Balkanization is the process by which a country splits into various smaller countries, like what happened to the former Yugoslavia.
The US is increasingly dysfunctional, but it’s still in one piece
“Ahhh yes everyone! Who remembers when the Slovenians, Serbians, and Croations renamed the Mediterranean Sea!? Clearly is a necessary step of Balkinization… WAYMENT!”
They’ve not been renamed. Trump proclaimed it from his ass and twelve people on earth with access to a popular driving app accepted it and changed the names on the said app.
It’s consistent. Their goal isn’t to uplift the West to leftist values, it’s to destroy the West for the sake of Chinese or Russian realpolitik or just plain anti-colonial revenge. A deeply Balkanized US that kills itself and diminishes its own power is one of the best things they could hope for.
A balkanized US is the best thing I could ask for too and I hate tankies
Every large country should be balkanized.
I’d say the opposite.
Countries should be deeply tied together, both internally and externally.
Isolation and little fiefdoms are what the right wing monsters want. Little kingdoms where accountability is optional.
They can be tied together voluntarily under a system that isn’t the autocratic nation state.
Look at the world today. The biggest countries are all the worst exporters of right-wing autocracy. So I think your analysis is very backwards.
The largest countries who all stand alone and refuse to truly tie themselves to the international community.
I think you’ve missed the point.
Large nations can only maintain themselves through oppression. The dynamic of voluntary association with other nations is very different from that. Unity can be good or bad. It depends on the context.
Germany is arguably the heart of the EU and also has arguably the most concerningly powerful far right wing in the EU.
And all of the economic suffering for the lower classes which will happen if balkanization happens?
Economic suffering of the lower classes is already guaranteed, as it has been for many decades in the USA, worse and worse practically every year.
The federal government is incredibly expensive, and not worth the cost; we really would be okay without a world-dominating military that can attack anywhere in the world in 24 hours. Our state governments are 100% capable and there is no need of the redundancy.
The FED goliath all costs much more than the returns, and only makes the military and banker profiteers wealthy.
You don’t seem to understand economies of scale
Yes your feds are inefficient, but the cause isn’t simply size, it’s deliberate wastefulness for political points
And that can be changed
And what are you going to do post-balkanization when the southern states decide to legalize slavery?
Literally not. There are ways to reduce suffering via a UBI + rent stabilization + jobs bills like we’ve done in the past, for instance. It happened during covid—we have the infrastructure. That alone could offset a shitton of unnecessary suffering while they figure out a new economic model. A UBI can be temporary or not if necessary. Point is—there are options. You just gave up is all. That’s a you problem. “Economic suffering of the lower classes is already guaranteed”
Even if there is suffering that is going to happen, balkanization is not the best option. It just takes some creative thinking by people.
Are you fine with all the suffering that “the lower classes” are to continue to be subjected to in the case of the US continuing to exist as is, then?
Pales in comparison to the economic benefit to the global working class if US imperialism ends.
Still not good that workers will suffer, but US balkanization would be a good thing for humanity at large.
Power vacuums doesn’t benefit anybody
I mean, I agree that balkanization isn’t the most ideal scenario. I’d much rather see a socialist revolution take over the whole country. Much better outcomes for nearly everyone.
What state do you live in?
Are you suggesting that the only people who get to have an opinion about the US live within its borders?
That’s pretty out of line when the US is currently aggressing multiple other countries
Why does that matter to the argument at hand?
Lets them know their opinion is worthless because they can’t answer the question. If they say “not from the states” who will listen to them?
Is not being balkanized by fascists right now‽
No because that’s not what Balkanization means. Balkanization is the process by which a country splits into various smaller countries, like what happened to the former Yugoslavia.
The US is increasingly dysfunctional, but it’s still in one piece
Then why did they rename the Gulf of Mexico and Lake Ontario‽
Renaming bodies of water isn’t balkanization either…
“Ahhh yes everyone! Who remembers when the Slovenians, Serbians, and Croations renamed the Mediterranean Sea!? Clearly is a necessary step of Balkinization… WAYMENT!”
They’ve not been renamed. Trump proclaimed it from his ass and twelve people on earth with access to a popular driving app accepted it and changed the names on the said app.
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Wait are we all meant to be pro-US?