Seriously. Was Holodomor a deliberate genocide? This is the hill you’re going to die on?
Genocides are by definition deliberate.
If you agree that it was not a deliberate action, but an unwanted disaster, then you won’t find an argument against that.
Going to note, though, that you seem to be more critical of that than of, for example, what the genocidaires of Palestine have been doing, including the famines they actually caused deliberately.
Much like the Irish Famine was only a tragic genocide because the British overlords wouldn’t put up with reducing their own take.
The Irish Famine was a deliberate action, which is indicated in part by the fact that the rest of the empire did not experience issues with food. There is also the fact that the government literally blocked relief for the famine.
The fact that you imply that these two events are both “tragic genocides” betrays both your lack of understanding of what genocides are and of what those events entailed.
I’m a leftist, but I’m an honest one.
Why call the famine of 1932 a genocide, then, when you agree that it does not fit the definition, and when you know that it wasn’t a repeat event (like what was happening in the Russian Empire, or what NATO has been doing in the world)?
Be actually honest and do some self-reflection on what you believe about your empire’s enemies simply because your empire told you to believe that.
Also, I’d like to know what you think of Canada - a state involved in NATO’s invasions like the ones of Iraq and Afghanistan, the genocide of Palestine, the kidnapping of Actual American children, etc. - as well as what you think of the OUN - an organisation worshipped by the post-coup Ukrainian state that was trying to do a genocide in Ukraine before WW2 and allied with nazi Germany during WW2?
Genocides are by definition deliberate.
If you agree that it was not a deliberate action, but an unwanted disaster, then you won’t find an argument against that.
Going to note, though, that you seem to be more critical of that than of, for example, what the genocidaires of Palestine have been doing, including the famines they actually caused deliberately.
The Irish Famine was a deliberate action, which is indicated in part by the fact that the rest of the empire did not experience issues with food. There is also the fact that the government literally blocked relief for the famine.
The fact that you imply that these two events are both “tragic genocides” betrays both your lack of understanding of what genocides are and of what those events entailed.
Why call the famine of 1932 a genocide, then, when you agree that it does not fit the definition, and when you know that it wasn’t a repeat event (like what was happening in the Russian Empire, or what NATO has been doing in the world)?
Be actually honest and do some self-reflection on what you believe about your empire’s enemies simply because your empire told you to believe that.
Also, I’d like to know what you think of Canada - a state involved in NATO’s invasions like the ones of Iraq and Afghanistan, the genocide of Palestine, the kidnapping of Actual American children, etc. - as well as what you think of the OUN - an organisation worshipped by the post-coup Ukrainian state that was trying to do a genocide in Ukraine before WW2 and allied with nazi Germany during WW2?