• DupaCycki@lemmy.world
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    Communism promised abolishing classes, but failed.

    Capitalism promised protecting the elite class above all else, and succeeded.

  • EffortlessGrace@piefed.social
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    59 minutes ago

    No matter the political or economic system, what is to be avoided is the concentration of power, both “soft” and “hard”. Alas, I’m more convinced than ever before that this is a feature of homo sapiens, and not a bug.

    • ExtraJudgement@lemmy.world
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      I agree that social hierarchies are a feature of homo sapiens, hence why any good form of governance should be based on restricting our worst instincts. That’s what the original liberalism improved with the separation of political power into executive, legislative, and judicate branches. Unfortunately, the same was not done for economic power, which - most liberal democracies - was allowed to keep concentrating with few to no safeguards in place.

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    1 hour ago

    You see, in Capitalist America, man oppresses man. In Soviet Union it is the other way around.

  • AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social
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    4 hours ago

    WRONG.

    In Magastan there are NOT two classes. There’s just rich people and some subset of human waste that apparently think of themselves as people with rights (that doesn’t make them people in the eyes of the only class existing there).

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    9 hours ago

    Most governments with the Communist in the name, are just state run capitalists

    • SirLeToet@lemmy.world
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      Most hatred for ‘capitalism’ is specificly for “American capitalism”. Even though the problem isnt the economic system, as in reality they all suck arse. Capitalism just sucks the least.

      Capitalism in Europe is quite social in comparison.

    • schwifty_squanch@lemmy.ml
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      8 hours ago

      Yes… China is state capitalist… Meanwhile, here in the Burger Reich, corporations routinely get bailouts from Uncle Sam paid for by the taxes of the workers.

      If China is State Capitalist, what do you consider the USA?

      • Annoyed_🦀 @lemmy.zip
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        If China is State Capitalist, what do you consider the USA?

        State capitalist with no tooth. The enemy of your enemy isn’t always your friend, stop defending the bad of the other camp just because you hate the bad from this camp.

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        6 hours ago

        Fake communist societies being state capitalists doesn’t preclude other societies from being state capitalist.

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      9 hours ago

      I mean of all the things to criticize China about, a planned economy should be one to avoid.