you think the democrats are better because you only care when you are on the receiving end of what your country does to the global south countries every decade since after WW2. You literally do not care about people outside your own country as you don’t consider them humans and would gladly have them die for your own comfort and treats.
Youre depicting Democrats as angels despite all the horrible shit they do. So it is completely reasonable to conclude what they concluded about your position. Thats not what a strawman is, a strawman isn’t just “when you adress the logical conclusions to the other persons statement”.
If youre going to make an attempt at pseudo-intellectual dismissals of other people, at least learn how the fallacy you’re referring to functions.
You dont care about people outside of the US. You are a nationalist. Your only fear with regards to politics is experiencing the pain your regime brings upon other countries every day. All of these statements are reasonable assertions based on what you had written so far.
My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats. The point is that people who assume voting does not matter are contributing to the worse outcome happening, which is true. I do have the personal belief that democrats are meaningfully better than republicans on domestic and foreign policy, but no, I do not think they are angels. I think my responses have made that clear and so taking the meme literally over the opinions I have explicitly expressed and argued for is incorrect.
And yes, their argument is a strawman. They wanted to feel good about disagreeing with someone who unpersons foreigners and does not care about people outside of their country, so they decided that’s who I was. This completely ignores very reasonable explanations such as “it’s possible to care about more than one thing at once”. The point of calling their argument a strawman is to express that no, they are not describing my position accurately.
And neither are you. I care about people outside the US. Would it be valid to say you don’t care about people inside the US because you are telling us not to improve our domestic policies? I support the ICC and other extranational oversight measures. Obviously I care about the wellbeing of the US a lot (I live here) but my decisions don’t fail to take the health of other nations into account, so no, I am not a nationalist. Claiming things like “you don’t consider [people outside your own country] humans” is patently ridiculous (honestly it’s straight up libel) when I have not expressed those views. It’s a strawman because they are responding not to what was said, but to what they falsely imagine my beliefs to be.
Surely you can think of a better way to affect meaningful change than sitting in a basement accusing random people online of being fascists. You do realize this is detrimental to your cause?
Then again, maybe you don’t… yeah, probably not. What a waste.
Youre also doing the same, dumbass. You dont think you could be more effective if you went outside instead of sitting here arguing with people who quote clearly will not vote democrat?
Probably not, your people skills suck as does your communication. You’d probably just alienate potential voters.
The person I’m arguing against doesn’t live in the US. I’m arguing that they should stop telling us to make our lives worse by not voting. The viable options are harm reduction (vote democrat) or systemic reform (vote third party). Not voting is never the correct choice.
Except you lot don’t believe this since so many of BlueMAGA tell everyone that voting third party is useless and you might as well not vote at all if you’re gonna do that.
They’re the same. They both fuck over minorities, they both increase deportations, they are both warmongers, they both do genocide, they both fuck over the climate, they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people, they are both parties full of geriatric genocidal fascist pedophiles.
“Think” might be a strong word if you believe they are equal. If you truly think they are equally bad, why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things? Surely there would be no need to use them as a proxy if both parties are doing equally bad things on their own? You know deep down that the Democrats are a passive evil rather than an active one, don’t pretend you believe they are identical.
Not going to bother responding to this well, but if you want to know my understanding of the situation:
They’re the same.
No
They both fuck over minorities, […] they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people,
Tends to be Republicans by a fairly wide margin
they both increase deportations,
See my previous comments in this thread, this is true but I do not believe deportations under Biden have caused as much harm as the ones under Trump.
they are both warmongers,
Again, true but tends to favor Republicans. Obama got the Iran conflict under control until Trump blew it up again, for example.
they both do genocide,
True
they both fuck over the climate,
True, but favors Republicans especially with the complete gutting of the EPA recently.
they are both parties full of geriatric
Yes, in fact the average age is basically identical
genocidal
Yes, although detractors tend to be Democrats as it’s the best party for them
fascist
Same as above, nonfascists always choose the Democratic party. I wonder why?
pedophiles.
HEAVILY favors Republicans.
Conclusion: Democrats are a better choice than republicans, and claiming they are the same is illogical.
LMFAO this is literally the same from an outside perspective. You BLUEmaga people really do only care about decorum and domestic issues in politics. You even admit that Biden wasn’t good. It’s all “lesser evil” for you. And guess what, evil is still evil you fucking idiot.
I care about decorum insofar as I think in personal discussions calling someone a fucking idiot is not useful to understanding or changing their views. In politics I don’t really care about decorum? Why do you think I would?
As for domestic issues: Yeah I care about them, I fucking live here. If both practical options have the same outcome outside the nation but vastly different ones inside, why wouldn’t I vote for the party that’s going to improve one of them? It’s not like the democrats are worse than the republicans internationally.
As long as there are two choices in this system I will always choose the better choice. Not doing so is completely illogical. If you want a choice that’s not evil you have to work to change the system entirely. If you were planning on doing that, why not also make things less bad when you can?
That’s literally the point, you will legitimize a system if it serves you. You do not consider how your rationale and accepting this harms farm more people. Billions vs. a few million within the Imperial Core.
Just so you know, marginalized groups in your own country do not fare any better under a democrat. They are still all the time under threat of ICE, they were so under Biden but you lot just did not give a single fucking shit about it because liberals lack object permanence.
Just so you know, marginalized groups in your own country do not fare any better under a democrat
You might actually be delusional. Name any metric under which a marginalized group could fare better or worse and I will show you the difference.
Anyways “legitimizing” is a vague principle that leads to incorrect choices. If there would be a real, practical effect you could point to, you wouldn’t have to speak so vaguely.
As opposed to them doing the exact same thing as the republicans as depicted in the OP? We’re both exaggerating for effect
“Genocidal monsters are figuratively angles!”
you think the democrats are better because you only care when you are on the receiving end of what your country does to the global south countries every decade since after WW2. You literally do not care about people outside your own country as you don’t consider them humans and would gladly have them die for your own comfort and treats.
Did it feel good to attack that strawman you made up? Let me know when you’re ready for an actual discussion.
Youre depicting Democrats as angels despite all the horrible shit they do. So it is completely reasonable to conclude what they concluded about your position. Thats not what a strawman is, a strawman isn’t just “when you adress the logical conclusions to the other persons statement”.
If youre going to make an attempt at pseudo-intellectual dismissals of other people, at least learn how the fallacy you’re referring to functions.
You dont care about people outside of the US. You are a nationalist. Your only fear with regards to politics is experiencing the pain your regime brings upon other countries every day. All of these statements are reasonable assertions based on what you had written so far.
My meme doesn’t specify the angel box is democrats. The point is that people who assume voting does not matter are contributing to the worse outcome happening, which is true. I do have the personal belief that democrats are meaningfully better than republicans on domestic and foreign policy, but no, I do not think they are angels. I think my responses have made that clear and so taking the meme literally over the opinions I have explicitly expressed and argued for is incorrect.
And yes, their argument is a strawman. They wanted to feel good about disagreeing with someone who unpersons foreigners and does not care about people outside of their country, so they decided that’s who I was. This completely ignores very reasonable explanations such as “it’s possible to care about more than one thing at once”. The point of calling their argument a strawman is to express that no, they are not describing my position accurately.
And neither are you. I care about people outside the US. Would it be valid to say you don’t care about people inside the US because you are telling us not to improve our domestic policies? I support the ICC and other extranational oversight measures. Obviously I care about the wellbeing of the US a lot (I live here) but my decisions don’t fail to take the health of other nations into account, so no, I am not a nationalist. Claiming things like “you don’t consider [people outside your own country] humans” is patently ridiculous (honestly it’s straight up libel) when I have not expressed those views. It’s a strawman because they are responding not to what was said, but to what they falsely imagine my beliefs to be.
go back to reddit, fash
Surely you can think of a better way to affect meaningful change than sitting in a basement accusing random people online of being fascists. You do realize this is detrimental to your cause?
Then again, maybe you don’t… yeah, probably not. What a waste.
Youre also doing the same, dumbass. You dont think you could be more effective if you went outside instead of sitting here arguing with people who quote clearly will not vote democrat?
Probably not, your people skills suck as does your communication. You’d probably just alienate potential voters.
The person I’m arguing against doesn’t live in the US. I’m arguing that they should stop telling us to make our lives worse by not voting. The viable options are harm reduction (vote democrat) or systemic reform (vote third party). Not voting is never the correct choice.
Except you lot don’t believe this since so many of BlueMAGA tell everyone that voting third party is useless and you might as well not vote at all if you’re gonna do that.
What cause? Like getting people who are legitimizing a system that enables, defends and protects genocide into communism?
Wow you really got me with that one lmfao
No the democrats are doing the exact same, thats not an exaggeration. They are both committing a genocide.
You are free to believe they are equivalent in spite of the many, many differences. I’m not having this argument again.
Oh wow thank you for allowing me to think things! I have also had this discussion before
They’re the same. They both fuck over minorities, they both increase deportations, they are both warmongers, they both do genocide, they both fuck over the climate, they both fuck over women, they both fuck over queer people, they are both parties full of geriatric genocidal fascist pedophiles.
“Think” might be a strong word if you believe they are equal. If you truly think they are equally bad, why do you continually describe the Democrats as being bad because they allow the Republicans to do bad things? Surely there would be no need to use them as a proxy if both parties are doing equally bad things on their own? You know deep down that the Democrats are a passive evil rather than an active one, don’t pretend you believe they are identical.
Not going to bother responding to this well, but if you want to know my understanding of the situation:
No
Tends to be Republicans by a fairly wide margin
See my previous comments in this thread, this is true but I do not believe deportations under Biden have caused as much harm as the ones under Trump.
Again, true but tends to favor Republicans. Obama got the Iran conflict under control until Trump blew it up again, for example.
True
True, but favors Republicans especially with the complete gutting of the EPA recently.
Yes, in fact the average age is basically identical
Yes, although detractors tend to be Democrats as it’s the best party for them
Same as above, nonfascists always choose the Democratic party. I wonder why?
HEAVILY favors Republicans.
Conclusion: Democrats are a better choice than republicans, and claiming they are the same is illogical.
so many differences? give a few examples
Ok
LMFAO this is literally the same from an outside perspective. You BLUEmaga people really do only care about decorum and domestic issues in politics. You even admit that Biden wasn’t good. It’s all “lesser evil” for you. And guess what, evil is still evil you fucking idiot.
I care about decorum insofar as I think in personal discussions calling someone a fucking idiot is not useful to understanding or changing their views. In politics I don’t really care about decorum? Why do you think I would?
As for domestic issues: Yeah I care about them, I fucking live here. If both practical options have the same outcome outside the nation but vastly different ones inside, why wouldn’t I vote for the party that’s going to improve one of them? It’s not like the democrats are worse than the republicans internationally.
As long as there are two choices in this system I will always choose the better choice. Not doing so is completely illogical. If you want a choice that’s not evil you have to work to change the system entirely. If you were planning on doing that, why not also make things less bad when you can?
That’s literally the point, you will legitimize a system if it serves you. You do not consider how your rationale and accepting this harms farm more people. Billions vs. a few million within the Imperial Core.
Just so you know, marginalized groups in your own country do not fare any better under a democrat. They are still all the time under threat of ICE, they were so under Biden but you lot just did not give a single fucking shit about it because liberals lack object permanence.
You might actually be delusional. Name any metric under which a marginalized group could fare better or worse and I will show you the difference.
Anyways “legitimizing” is a vague principle that leads to incorrect choices. If there would be a real, practical effect you could point to, you wouldn’t have to speak so vaguely.