• Rivalarrival@lemmy.today
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    8 hours ago

    If you want to see the US without the Senate, watch The Hunger Games. It’s called “Panem”.

    12 numbered districts whose collective population is a minority of the total, controlled from afar by a single district comprising the majority. Whatever that distant, popular majority wants, it commands the minority districts to provide.

    The solution to the inequities in Panem is a Senate with the power to veto the whims of the Capitol district.

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      5 hours ago

      Instead you let a minority control the majority

      Veto powers should be limited to that which directly impacts each state materially, not simply everything including things happening afar

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        5 hours ago

        Instead you let a minority control the majority

        Myth. The House vetos the minority from controlling the majority. That’s the purpose of the House.

        Veto powers should be limited to that which directly impacts each state materially, not simply everything including things happening afar

        If the majority wants to enact something without the consent of the Senate, they are free to enact it at the state level: For themselves, rather than imposed against a minority populace that would reject it for themselves.

        If that is not a viable option, then the federal government has too much power and needs to be reined in.

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          The purpose is not what it is doing anymore.

          if the majority wants to enact something without the consent of the Senate, they are free to enact it at the state level

          Then the veto should not apply to (more than a representative percent of) federal budgets. A shared project which states want to coordinate should not be vetoable by non-participants.

          If that can still be vetoed then the vetoing states have too much power and must be reined in

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            4 hours ago

            A shared project which states want to coordinate should not be vetoable by non-participants.

            Rejected. Individual states are free to establish contractual arrangements with eachother. They can create and fund joint commissions for such shared projects.

            Where these “shared projects” are conducted and controlled by the federal government, there are no “non-participant” states. As participants in the federal government, these states have an interest in the budget of that government.

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      5 hours ago

      Lmao you do know there are many other forms of democratic government in the world that aren’t the USA right? You don’t have to resort to ham-fisted YA fantasy.

      Also I need to confirm with you: you know the hunger games is fiction and not real life, right?

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        5 hours ago

        Fiction widens the contrast, bringing the problem into stark relief. It makes the pattern easily recognizable, so more subtle intrusions don’t go overlooked.

        There are, indeed, many other forms of democratic government in the world that aren’t the USA. Some better. Many far, far worse. The best have strong factors differentiating them from simplistic, populist governance.