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    Yeah, fuck empathy and social cohesion, just emulate the worst behaviours of your perceived other. If someone needs a ride to the hospital I’m not going to check their damn voting records

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      If I don’t know someones politics I’ll help them without question. If they’re wearing Trump merch then they can have the day they voted for. I don’t give a fuck about social cohesion with those cunts anymore than they would with me.

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        Picturing you at a bus stop rolling your eyes as an 80 y/o in a maga hat strokes out, it’s not pretty. What happened to being the change?

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          What happened to being the change?

          Allowing evil people to die so the world can be a better place is the change I want to see in this world.

          Are you suggesting old people can’t be evil?

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            At least some of them just come out and admit they want death. Your sophistry does not grant any moral high ground. What you are saying is that you more death, that those you judge must die. It is a direct reflection of the ideology you are trying to oppose. An equal and opposite reaction that only perpetuates a cycle.

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              Listen. I’m not going to help someone who wants me and my friends dead. And you can personally be offended by that all you want.

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          I don’t care if you think I’m pretty. The change I want is every maga turd in this country in the ground. They abandoned the social contract, not me. You don’t get to abide by it only when it benefits you.

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            No one is talking about whether or not you are pretty, that’s a deflection from the obvious ugliness of watching someone die. The change you express a desire for here would be more clearly stated as mass death. We only control our own actions, I can only hope that those you would take in reality are kinder.

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              The change you express a desire for here would be more clearly stated as mass death.

              Sorry if that wasn’t clear enough for you. There’s no place in society for fascist, racist, sexist, bigots. You can’t still be in the maga camp and not be those things. I hope every single one of them experiences the suffering they would gladly have inflicted on innocents and fuck you for advocating for tolerance. I’ll be kind to the people who don’t support genocidal pedophiles.

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                You’re literally advocating to inflict suffering and telling me to fuck off for promoting not even “tolerance” but basic empathy and shared humanity. It doesn’t feel particularly kind, and it’s deeply frustrating to watch someone perpetuate exactly what’s been inflicted on them. Suffering in no way eases suffering. Empathy does.

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                  Then you have a good life extending empathy to people who want you fucking dead for the way you think and live your life.

                  If you’re still giving the benefit of the doubt to conservatives, you have learned NOTHING and deserve to be taken advantage of by the worst our society has to offer.

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                    A dark future indeed. You’re very comfortable passing judgment and telling me what I deserve. Again: who does that remind you of? What behavior are you emulating? How do you think it might shape the world?

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                  You’re literally advocating to inflict suffering and telling me to fuck off for promoting not even “tolerance” but basic empathy and shared humanity.

                  Yeah, because they’re fascist, racist, sexist, bigots. Their ideas of “shared humanity” don’t include me. They’re evil, end of story. They don’t have to be this way, they chose it and have continued to double down as things have gotten worse. It’s not just “different political beliefs” or being misguided anymore and hasn’t been for a long time. They are evil and they’re not going to change their ways. Fuck them and again fuck you for empathizing with them. Empathize with their victims if you want to empathize with someone so bad. Being kind to Nazis doesn’t make you a good person.

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                    You don’t have to be this way either. I don’t see empathy as a burden or gift to be given, I see it as a source of strength. It expands your sense of self and defines emotional strength. It heals the self, other, and whole. Kindness is a reward in and of itself. I hope there is enough in your life to share.

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        Quick to judge, lacking empathy, who does that sound like to you? Really hope you can find enough peace to try being a good part of this greater whole again man.

        “There’s a bad man in everyone, no matter who we are. There’s a rapist and a nazi living in our tiny hearts. Child pornographers and cannibals, and politicians too. There’s someone in your head waiting to fucking strangle you.”

        Great song. Best of luck out there.

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          It sound like YOU have a Nazi living in your heart with how hard you are trying to defend them in this thread.

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            Think the point of the song is that we all do, and acknowledging and attempting to transcend that is crucial to being “good”. It’s being very clearly demonstrated here that with enough fear and enough hurt many otherwise normal people will resort to paying forward the bigotry and violence inflicted on them. Can you point to where I have in any way defended nazis, rather than advocating against the very behaviors that make their “movement” so reprehensible?

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            Wow, that’s great. Sounds like you’re pretty dang pure, far removed from the flawed individuals you wish death on. A model human, some kind of ‘ubermensch’

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                I’m upset that people hate, period, and don’t believe a reasonable person could actually see anything I’ve said as supporting fascism in any way. You’re directly advocating for that same ideology with a different target, and insinuating I must be one of Them for having a problem with it.

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                    Yeah, but not exclusively! Even there tolerance is framed as an ideal, and rationale as the primary defense against intolerance. It’s also about how to handle movements in a society, not who to call help for. Have you ever studied the Wheel of Samsara?

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      If someone needs a ride to the hospital I’m not going to check their damn voting records

      Not what the person you are responding to said. They just said “be polite to”. And no, you shouldn’t be polite to conservatives after what they’ve done.

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        Because you can. If you can. Why would you want to treat them the way they treat everyone else?

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          Because I ain’t Jesus. Fuck them. They’ve destroyed the country and a good bit of the world and they did so gleefully.