• phutatorius@lemmy.zip
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    We’re pretty close to being in “Mr Veto gets overridden” territory. Senate Republicans up for re-election in 2028 are going to be strongly tempted to defect from their party line in the interest of not being thrown out by the electorate. We only need 6 to jump ship for an override.

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    Beats the ever-loving fuck out of whatever the fuck he’s doing now.

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      Best Republicans can do, veto good laws, letting only bad ones be enacted.

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    Veto away, Krasnov. By all means, please make Republicans look like incompetent fools for the next 2 years so we can sweep in 2028 too. After that, maybe finally we can get some shit done and prosecute the fascists (if the corporate masters are willing to indulge us, of course).

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      Let’s just check in on if the 2020 sweep into power let the democrats get some shit done and prosecute the fascists… aw shucks.

      I’ll still vote for the Dems since fptp makes it the best option, but until we get a leftist yea party insurgency I expect them to dance for the corporate masters.

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        They did pass some bills, but not enough but didn’t have enough majority and had to use a way to not need 2/3 to pass in senate, so we need enough majority to pass w/o tricks and not blame them for not enough majority and not able to pass what the majority of people want on several issues.

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          The majority was so narrow that Sinema and Manchin were able to take turns sabotaging it. Now it’ll require more backstabbers to frustrate the will of the people.

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          My entire life I have heard this.

          Republicans come in with the slimmest majority and use every avenue to get their agenda passed.

          Democrats come in with similar or better majorities and, shucks would you look at that, theres always a just enough turncoats to keep them from doing anything. Or maybe they could technically achieve their agenda through a reconciliation bill but tradition and custom are more important.

          The sergeant at arms could actually enforce the subpoena by arresting people, but the congress hasn’t done that in over a century and certainly won’t do it now.

          Seating that judge, well the senate has a long standing gentleman’s agreement that both senators from the state with the courthouse get a pocket veto and one of the republicans is using it.

          Republicans come in and squeeze every iota of advantage past reason. Democrats play to the rules, then if they could still get something done play to an even stricter set of rules, then compromise for no reward.

          And then I’m supposed to hear how they really really wanted to do good stuff but gee golly, once they got power they just couldn’t figure out how.

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    Believe it or not, that’s the ideal outcome short of impeachment.

    The economy is fucked, and we have proof his government has been lying about the numbers. An obstructionist Trump lets Dems continue to rightly blame him for it, and Republicans with any luck take it on the chin again in 2028.

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      Agree 100%. It’s better for the world if Trump and congress are at a stalemate than if Trump is allowed to continue to run rampant

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      Of course, his voters will see it as dems being at fault for only passing bills that weren’t any good (Trump didn’t approve of them after all) and thus if dems get the majority in 2026, they’ll be at fault for everything that happened in 2025-2026 in addition to already being at fault for everything negative that happened from 2017-2025.

      And they will reelect him in 2028.

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        Yeah but those morons will support him no matter what happens, so why bother trying to placate them?

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      You’re right, we should do absolutely nothing about all the idiotic bills this Congress has passed, including slashing ACA subsidies for everyone. Let’s just let the moron do what he wants.

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        Somehow I don’t think a slight majority Congress is going to lead the revolution, chief.

        This is the system. What is supposed to happen is that Republicans put country and ethics over personal benefit and agree to vote in favor of impeachment from top to bottom, but that’s not happening so it’s a two year stalemate or a civil war.

        We’ll see what happens next.

        If it makes you feel better there’s a lot of things Congress can do in terms of investigation and daily business he can’t veto, it just means new bills won’t be passed.

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    [Biden’s term] mcconnell: “We’re going to block any meaningful legislation just to make him look bad”

    [orange pedo’s 2nd term]the orange pedo: “if I don’t get my way I’ll veto everything the Dems try to pass”

    And which one claims to be the party for Americans again?

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    Just imagine if he did nothing the last two years, but just coasted along, letting Biden’s work continue.

    Things would have been fine.

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      There is no end goal for this people but more money and more power. They are the embodiment of capitalism, there is no victory condition, there is no “enough”. It’s more more more more more forever, at any and all cost.

      Like, a serial killer won’t ever be like “ok I’m gonna kill ten people and I’m currently at eight, so just two more murders and I’m done! Gonna be so nice when it’s over, I can just relax, pick up gardening…”

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      Right, but that wasn’t the 2025 plan, they told everyone what they were going to do and too much of the damage has been done. It takes longer and harder to rebuild it if Dems win president and enough majority in 28, but not counting on it unfortunately. I’d love to be wrong and they do make real progress if they win, but I’m way ahead and coming back to present moment, peace.

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      Also, frankly, what a lot of presidents pretty much do.

      I guess the biggest problem is that usually stops short of the budget/debt ceiling bills, so if he sticks to his guns of ‘veto no matter what’, hard to see how budget bills can work anymore.

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          If you have 2/3rds of Senate, sure.

          But short of getting a bunch of people willing to visibly undermine Trump from his own party, that’s not going to happen. Keep in mind these were the same people who didn’t like the optics of removing Trump even after he lost and was on his way out and actively incited a violent insurrection. If they won’t even vote to remove what was presumed to be a dead-end politician on his way out of politics anyway, then they sure as hell won’t go against him on a veto.

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            If Trump goes full tantrum and decides to try to shutdown the government for two years, I’d bet they get just enough to pull off an override.

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      Exactly.

      Shit will stay bad, undeniably bad.

      And I’m 2 years Dems get to campaign on hypotheticals for how much progressive policy would have helped if we had a progressive president.

      The were looking at 2/3s majoritie to get a lot done, and insulation from remaining neoliberals who won’t vote with the party

      It’s honestly the best path to super majorities, because we don’t have to try and get some stuff accomplished the next two years, there’s zero expectation that trump will let anything pass. So even if nothing gets fixed, it will still just help Dems.

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      He’s already been impeached. Twice. It takes too many members of congress to actually remove him though.