The adversarial relationship between Washington and Moscow prevented U.S. officials from sharing any information about the plot beyond what was necessary, out of fear Russian authorities might learn their intelligence sources or methods.
We told them there was an increased risk. They don’t need to know how we know or the specifics. They chose not to listen or act, and completely dismissed our advice as nonsense. This is on them.
Pfffft… Russia already knew it was Ukraine long before USA received intel about ISIS preparing the attack. /s
Those Ukrainian Jewish Nazi ISIS supporters! They’re the worst!
The US publicly said that there was an increased risk in Moscow for the 48 hours following March 7th. Whether they privately said anything more is unknown (neither side is too eager to share).
Indeed, for the 48 hours following March 7th, security at places like Crocus City Hall was ramped up.
Edit: would you like to hazard a guess as to what was happening at Crocus City Hall on March 7th-9th?
“We” “Our”
you are not the American government. They are your oppressors. They are not on your side.
There’s a purposeful twist of language by you.
The way they used “we” simply implies they are a citizen of the US, not that they are an agent of the US gov security apparatus.
I-… no I was not calling anyone a federal agent, why is that where your mind went??
Oh, u just don’t do words gud, my bad
*you
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No u
Seeing how you immediately blocked me after I called you out i’m going to go on a limb and say you weren’t posting in good faith. EDIT: They didn’t.
I didn’t block you what are you on about
So now words bad and Lemmy features bad
Ok I didn’t get a notification for your reply so that’s why I came to that conclusion, must have been a federation bug.
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First it was that they did it and now it’s that Americans didn’t do enough to stop it lol.
You misunderstand how Russian propaganda works.
It’s this:
The firehose of falsehood is a propaganda technique in which a large number of messages are broadcast rapidly, repetitively, and continuously over multiple channels (such as news and social media) without regard for truth or consistency. An outgrowth of Soviet propaganda techniques, the firehose of falsehood is a contemporary model for Russian propaganda under Russian President Vladimir Putin.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firehose_of_falsehood
The Jewish Nazis in Ukraine funded ISIS! The CIA funded the ISIS attack! The CIA didn’t warn us! The CIA didn’t warn us in time! This was done by ISIS! This was done by Ukraine! The attackers were fleeing to Ukraine! They were fleeing to Belarus but we stopped them! We are war with NATO! We are not at war with NATO. If NATO gives Ukraine F16s Russia will be at war with NATO. If NATO gives Ukraine F16s, Russia will shoot them down, but not be at war with NATO!
Etc. etc. etc.
Honestly the fact they gave them a heads-up at all is extra. If Russia knew about an attack coming in America they would 100% keep that shit to themselves.
During the Obama administration, the national security director (I think) created the policy of “duty to inform”. The idea being that American intelligence agencies had a duty to inform a target if they knew about an upcoming attack (even an adversary). A big exception is when the warning would compromise the source of the information.
TIL. They often haven’t lived up to their stated commitment to protecting civilians, but for a number of reasons including how easy this specific one is to check I can see how it makes sense to do consistently.
This is why most classified information is withheld and Russia isn’t exactly an ally right now.
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NATO was formed in 1949, already after 2nd world war. Russia has been hated for way longer, so much so that countries neighboring it saw “allying”* with nazis preferable over having Russia take over them
*some didn’t have much option, allying or being taken over with much more violence
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I’m including USSR in the term Russia because obvious reasons, it was still the same country with different name, and USSR annexed bunch of countries around it.
Those countries that “broke from USSR” were independent nations before.
No one has instilled as much hate against communism as the few dictatorships calling themselves communist have. Not even USA, where ‘communist’ has been a slur for the past hundred years
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I should have probably said they claim to be socialist, but USSR and North Korea was first ones in my mind.
I like your question, it’s only purpose is to try catch me on some small technicality, or get a chance to bombard 17 links to tankie wiki with alternative facts about how Stalin was actually a great democratically selected leader
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The Red Scare is a more like side goal because communism threatens oligarchies. The Soviet Union also had its hand in persecuting communists.
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Tsar was gone by something like the purges in 30s
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A vague, time-limited warning that later turned out to not hold true within the given timeframe? That’s the extent of our moral obligation? Jesus Christ.
If Russias response was to call the warning a “provocation by the USA” then yes. They just dismissed it and this is what they got.
They dismissed it after the 48 hours elapsed and nothing happened.
The US shared shoddy intel.
Shoddy intel which was better than what the FSB had on offer.
I wasn’t aware you had contacts in the FSB. Do tell. The public nature of the announcement likely pushed the terrorists to ground and forced them to come up with a new plan. Duty to warn is usually done privately for a reason.
If you think the FSB had good intel, that means you think they decided to ignore it and allow the terrorist attack in Moscow to happen.
I don’t think they’re that evil. But hey, maybe you’re right.
I think it’s pretty clear that intel for the initially planned Crocus attack was well known. For some odd reason, that I couldn’t possibly fathom, the terrorists decided to call it off and do it another day. The initially planned dates had a more popular concert IIRC, so it would’ve been a better target.
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Fuck human lives am i rite
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So your claim is that… Incorrect intel is the extent of our duty to warn? Interesting…
Shame that the FSB doesn’t have better intel on what’s happening in Russia than the CIA.
Perhaps they were too busy tracking the gays after Russia recently labelled the LGBT+ movement terrorists. Perhaps they were tired after ensuring Putin won a sufficient margin against the communists. Or maybe some kid posted a meme on tiktok and they got distracted.
We’re talking about the same CIA that failed to assassinate Castro… How many was it? Anyway, do tell me more about your contacts in the FSB…
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I think it’s pretty clear that intel for the initially planned Crocus attack was well known. For some odd reason, that I couldn’t possibly fathom, the terrorists decided to call it off and do it another day. The initially planned dates had a more popular concert IIRC, so it would’ve been a better target.
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Typical bloodthirsty American. 🇺🇸
I mean… if it was the US’s agents doing the coordination and planning, then yes. This makes perfect sense.
Mr. Bortnikov, the F.S.B. director, said on Tuesday that Islamist extremists alone couldn’t possibly have carried out the attack. He blamed, among others, the United States.
Gee, I dunno how three or four lunatics could acquire guns.
They had an extraction plan that crossed multiple international borders.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Internal Russian intelligence reporting that most likely circulated at the highest levels of the government warned of the increased likelihood of an attack in Russia by ethnic Tajiks radicalized by ISIS-K, according to information obtained by the Dossier Center, a London research organization, and reviewed by The New York Times.
But as Mr. Putin has advanced his political crackdown at home, its list of targets ballooned to include opposition figures like Aleksei A. Navalny, who died last month in a Russian prison, and his supporters, as well as L.G.B.T.Q.
is a political police force, and as such it reflects Kremlin concerns,” said Mark Galeotti, a specialist on Russia’s security operations and a senior associate fellow at the Royal United Services Institute in London.
Russia is one of the chief military backers of the Islamic State’s opponents in the Middle East, including Syria’s Bashar al-Assad, making Russian interests a key target of the Islamist extremist group.
The failure to prevent the attack was probably the result of a combination of other factors, including fatigue after being “especially alert” during the period before Russia’s recent presidential election, said a European security official, who tracks the activities of the Russian intelligence services.
Large terrorist attacks on Russian soil attributed to international groups like the Islamic State or Al Qaeda have been rare, and the country’s domestic security services have less experience tracking those threats and are less skilled at penetrating Central Asian extremist cells.
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Intelligence methods like paying said attackers
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Never attribute to malice, that which can easily be explained by incompetence.
No
He’s looking weak and the constant change of story in the days after it happened don’t look as if it was prepared
I stay with “fear of exposing intelligence”. There is no need to fear something that does not exist
thats kinda shady
Espionage is kinda shady in nature.
Do you think they should have outed their spies, dooming them to a certain death?
I think they shouldn’t be funding the groups committing these acts in the first place.
Does the US fund ISIS?
The US has funded and trained ISIS through the CIA since its inception, and is responsible for its creation in the first place.
The US is also directly responsible for the creation of Al Qaeda. Unfortunately another country’s citizens are paying the price this time.
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Fund ISIS? They made ISIS!
America? Yes, that would be the moral choice.
Yes. Fuck em.
Yes. In fact, I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life. And you are a bad person if you wouldn’t.
And this is ignoring the fact that you are completely making up that a better warning would have “doomed them to certain death”.
imagine talking about american spies like they’re people. you have to be a bloodless skin-wearing demon to actively keep making the world worse every day of your existance after you join up, i hope they all suffer from nightmares at the very fucking least
Presumably there’s 100s of spies you would kill all of them to spare one life?
Thats 100s of families torn apart 1000s of people for one person.
So trolly problems a no brainer for you?
They’re from Hexbear, what do you expect.
I use connect for lemmy so i don’t see that without looking into it
So fucking tired of this clout chasing-instance hating bullshit. There’s fucking morons from every instance, I’m looking at one from .works right now. Reminds me of the laziest and most pathetic parts of reddit, like it’s a joke comment but with a little touch of actual hate speech in it.
Do you have any idea what the USA’s spy network has done? Do you have any idea how many thousands of families and millions of people have been torn apart, some of them murdered in their entirety, others just having their kids murdered in front of them, thanks to the work of USA intelligence? Fuck them
It’s the life of someone going about their existence, trying to enjoy a performance vs the lives of people who willingly signed up for a dangerous job to serve the world’s bloodiest empire.
Thinking you can do morality with numbers is sociopath behavior.
I would happily sacrifice the life of every single […] And you are a bad person if you wouldn’t.
…says everything one needs to know about your morals and your attempts at manipulation.
Awww the poor widdle spies! They were just innocently torturing innocent people at bwack sites, then destroying all evidence of torture! How dare they sacrifice these benevolent angels to save some RuZZian orc!
How about not sacrificing anyone’s life?
Fundamentally naive take.
They already sacrificed lives when they decided that even just a few of their spies were worth 140 people murdered and many more to spend their lifetime with medical issues and permanent mental scars.
- Spies who signed up to die if necessary
- Civilians
Pretty sure my morals are just fine if I pick 2 when push comes to shove
I would not “happily” sacrifice anyone’s life. How about that? Anyway, Russia obviously didnt take the threat seriously and that was the actual issue.
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore, thus less “protection” overall.
Lol you think American spies are for “protection”
In this case yeah
But even in your case of letting all the spies be killed to save one civilian, it would in the end result in more dead civilians because if a country does that to its own spies, nobody will want to be a spy for them anymore
Ridiculous from top to bottom.
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger. There is no reason to trust the U.S., and many reasons to think they’re lying – they’re fighting a proxy war against Russia, after all.
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into “this would kill all U.S. spies.”
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for, and there will be more meat for the grinder whatever happens to a spy here or there, because of a million reasons, but mostly because who the hell is telling recruits about some active spy that gets burned?
First, you’re taking the U.S. at its word that there was anyone on its side in real danger.
No, but the statement we are discussing assumes this from the start: “I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life.”
Second, it’s laughable to take the premise of additional intelligence possibly endangering some spy and turning that into “this would kill all U.S. spies.”
Yeah but we’re discussing the case where it would kill all spies. My statement was in response to (I repeat): “I would happily sacrifice the life of every single American spy abroad for a single innocent life.”
Finally, the U.S. has fucked over countless lackeys in the past and will continue to do so. Dying for your country is what these people already signed up for
Yeah but this is not “dying for your country” (it wouldnt benefit the USA in any way) but rather “dying for a single civilian of an adversary country”. They didnt sign up for that.
Smooth tiny baby brain lol
Thanks :)
On a seperate note, brain size does not relate to intelligence.
Spy shit, shady? Improbable
The attack was claimed by ISIS-K - a foreign fighter offshoot/offbrand. Funny thing is that ISIS-K fighters were getting lifts from American chanook helicopters in Afghanistan and is largely made up of US assets and/or people formerly trained by the US in Afghanistan.
Lots points to it being a CIA asset, tldr. They’re a dirty army that can be used to keep an area distabilised or prevent other geopolitical powers from building infrastructure/influence (the nutshell purpose of ISIS-K, particularly in Afghanistan to prevent pipelines being built).
They had the inside scoop on an attack outside any usual operating theatre by a group with tangible links to US cooperation/orientation? No kidding.
more like exposing involvement. both daesh and the ukraine are obviously us puppets which no decent person should support.
