Running bamboo is notoriously fast spreading and difficult to remove. What keeps its population balanced in the wild, and prevents it from crowding out the competition? I tried googling, but was inundated with gardening advice, horror stories, and assault / offensive gardening (some of the latter two presumably covering the same incident from both sides). My google-fu failed, I couldn’t really find any info about natural population controls of running bamboo in the thicket of tall tales and gardening advice.

  • x00z@lemmy.world
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    7 hours ago

    To add to the comments already posted; Some countries also have programs that combat invasive plant species. I once worked in such a program which removed invasive American trees in Europe.

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    probably because it needs to be artificially moved elsewhere, and unless it moves in large enough quantities it’s outcompeted

    Himalayas and Siberia stops natural expansion, farmland essentially corner it, everywhere else it could grow is also already occupied

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    There is definitely some invasive bamboo in the forests near me that’s spreading and taking over the native habitat

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    I have bamboo on the back corner of my property (two different types) and let me tell you that it is a never-ending war to keep it as a fairly thin line (it’s basically my privacy fence). On the plus side, it’s really good at holding the ground together, supposedly, which helps living in earthquakeland.

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    Well it doesn’t take over my yard because I got it all removed by a guy with a backhoe because it scared me. I like the way it looks but want some clumping bamboo not running bamboo, which had taken over the yard here when we bought our house. There’s still a little in one corner I just aggressively manage it. Comes over from the neighbors so it’s unavoidable.

    There are bamboo forests, aren’t there? I’m sure that in its natural habitat it does have competition. Like kudzu. It’s just invasive here.

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    I think an important thing to understand when talking about plant populations is to understand how they compete against each other. all kind of understand how animals compete because its dramatic with claws, fangs, speed and eating. They also compete more subtle with birthing rates, eating all the food faster than others but they are behaviors we can see. Each animal has it own ecological niche which they thrive

    Since plants cannot move (mostly true) they compete against animals and other plants in other ways. They use chemicals to poison others, alter the soil for their own needs or attempt to shade out other plants. They also compete in a different timescale than animals. They may only grow for a few months of the year before anything else grows or have a super short reproductive cycle and flower multiple times per year or play the long game and invest into woody structure to grow taller and live longer than other plants. These are their own niches which include everything about temperature (both highs, lows, days at certain temperatures etc.), soil conditions, nearby plants, animals to help or hurt them and timeframes. These are plant’s niches. This means a plant community is never static. It is driven by a process called Ecological Succession

    The things about garden and yards is that we don’t have a stable or natural ecosystem which means they are more unstable. We artificially keep it in a early stage of succession with mowing, fertilizers and pulling of weeds. This leaves plenty of open niches for things like bamboo to exploit. That is why pulling or poisoning of weeds just keep coming back since nothing is there to stop it from filling that niche again. So something like bamboo is almost impossible to remove without something else to outcompetes it in its niche. If we did nothing the bamboo would likely take over most of the grass and garden but eventually (in timeframes of years or decades) something else would eventually take it over or others would fill in around it. Usually plants growing creates additional niches alongside it. The succession would take over and alter the ecosystem.

    This means that for something like bamboo we should attempt to control it in our garden setting with rhimozone barriers so it doesn’t run wild. Having things like native perennials or other perennials around it should outcompete any newer sprouts can help as well. Moreover, if you have weeds in your garden they will always be there unless you have something else already there. Any bare soil is just open ground for volunteer plants (a.k.a weeds) to take over to fill the empty niche. So to remove something you might not want you need to both pull it and have something else to replace it.

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      Oh is that why I shouldn’t have 2 different plants in the same pot?

      Sometimes I take too long to weed out things such as grass or clover from pots, and it seems to have bad effects on the plants closer to them while the same ones further down the pot go better. Other combinations of flowers also don’t go well. I’m suspecting purple chalibrachoas suffocate the yellow and red ones, for example.

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      Good starting point, but the eventually does a lot of heavy lifting here.

      When plants move into a new area, they can sometimes outcompetes the species already present very effectively, and can spread unchecked, dominating the landscape and creating a monoculture. However a monoculture is more vulnerable to pestilence or disease, so eventually in years, decades, or who knows how long, a disease may spread in bamboo suppressing the population, or some new pest may evolve a way to eat bamboo more effectively and spread rapidly. Or other plants may develop other strategies. Again, in a matter of years or centuries or who knows, bamboo can become balanced out by these factors and become enmeshed in a more stable food web / ecology, which may not resemble the ecology which existed before bamboo came to that area.

      P.S. I recommend reading a book called Semiosis by Sue Burke. It’s all about humans who make a colony on an alien world, and over the span of nine generations develop a symbiosis with the plant species there, which are sentient.

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    Soil composition, access to water, temperature/seasons, mountains, salt water, etc.

    It needs nutrients, water and heat, without access to that it just doesn’t grow or spread fast, or at all. So it can’t cross the deserts on its own. It can’t grow above a certain sea level so it can’t cross the mountains(Pandas regularly have to climb down the mountains to get more access to bamboo)., it can’t use salt water, it can’t grow if it gets too cold for long periods of time and so on. It’s just fast growing in ideal enviroments.


    The big horror stories in regards to gardning, isn’t that it throws seeds around and just grows everywhere. It’s that once one seed as taken root, it will start growing rhizomes. Which are similar to roots, except it’s a stem that grows horizontally underground. And famously bamboo stems will grow through most things very quickly. So if you don’t put up a proper root barrier, they will grow across the nearby lawns and start sprouting roots and and shoots. And from what I remember each shoot can grow more rhizomes, so you have to basically dig up the entire area or use strong plant killing agents and go without a plants in the area for a while.

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    Bamboo is kind of a tree in this case which is an area I know more about and I think many of these factors would apply to bamboo as well. First forests used to actually be more rare than today before humans came along. Europe and North America was covered by endless plains which were grazed by huge numbers of ruminant animals. Any tree that would try to grow would get grazed before it could grow so tall that the animals couldn’t eat it anymore. That’s why grass thrives in such an environment, it’s practically made to get grazed. Once cut it quickly grows back again. Once ancient humans came along and hunted most of the grazing animals extinct forest suddenly started spreading like crazy until almost the entirety of Europe was forested (which was then to a large extent deforested again after agriculture was invented). Grass simply can’t compete against trees for sunlight. Therefore I would expect less or none bamboo in areas with a huge grazing wild life populations. And I don’t mean animals that would eat the leaves, but the ones that would eat the new seedling.

    Another thing that limits trees is moisture. In general the drier the climate the less beneficial it is to be a tree. That’s because deep roots are of no benefit in dry climates (but they are of huge benefit in humid climates during drought). Grass which generally have very shallow roots suck up all the rain before it can penetrate deep into the soil while deep tree roots never get any significant amount of water. Trees handle drought well but constant dryness is very detrimental for them. Dry areas also tend to have wild fires which also hamper trees. It’s simply better to be a grass (if moderately dry) or a cactus like plant if it’s extremely dry.

    Another factor is soil conditions. Now I don’t know what soil bamboo prefers but I doubt it’s all soil. Soil can have huge impacts on things like pH and water availability. For example in far Northern Europe where I live you can tell that you are standing on sandy soil if all around you are spruces and pines. If you however see lots of leaf trees you are probably on a silt and clay soil. This is because conifers handle both dry and sour soil better than the local leaf trees which leads to more conifers on sand. Bamboo is probably also limited to a certain soil condition.

    I hope that can at least help you develop more theories on why bamboo is not everywhere. Something important to remember is that just because a plant can grow well in a certain location doesn’t mean it will be found there. That’s because plants are always in fierce competition. I bet bamboo if intentionally planted and cared for could thrive in lots more places than its found naturally, but it just happens to not be the best plant in that location, meaning it’s outcompeted over long time scales.

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      Bamboo is not a kind of tree in the slightest. It is a kind of grass.

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        Trees are not a taxonomic group. It’s rather a description of characteristics the most important of which is having a woody trunk. For example there are tree legumes and non-tree legumes. A species of tree can therefore be more closely related to a non-tree than to other trees. However it’s totally true bamboo is not a tree. A grass could in theory however hit all the characteristics that are required to be tree and would then be considered as such, however no such grass happens to exist.

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    Bamboo isn’t a magic plant. It requires specific combinations of conditions to grow: the right soils, the right level of water and sunlight, temperatures within their preferred range.

    Yes it’s a pain to eradicate when improperly planted and then ignored for long enough. But it’s just a plant that has specific needs like all plants do.

    Limiting factors are the reason. If you put a person in a hole and gave them everything they needed to live, except water, they wouldn’t survive long, as an example.

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    Climate for one. At least where I’m at its too cold for bamboo to grow. Even in peak summer it’ll try to spread but its only a matter of time till the frost destroy it.

    Now kudzu on the other hand. That shit is fucking up everything.