Martin believes everyone should have access to free quality software.
Thanks so much🙏
Also shouting out Krita as a Photoshop alternative for digital painting, digital art.
How is its CMYK profiles in your opinion?
People like him are why I still have hope in tech. May the machine bless him eternally.
You don’t lose money when people use a competitors service/product over yours. That money wasn’t yours to lose.
Yet, the companies cry about losing money due to online piracy. At this point it’s eźtremally funny
for me, anyway, they didn’t lose money because if i couldn’t pirate it, I just wouldn’t watch. I’m told this is a common thought process
“If I couldn’t easily grab it off the table and walk away with it ,I wouldn’t have stolen it.”
Screw the media companies for the price gouging and being general dicks dragging people through the courts, but it’s still knowingly working around and accessing content that someone else paid to create. I dunno why people can’t be honest “I did it because it was easy and the chances of being caught were nominal. The risk / reward was in my favour”.
it’s not theft if you can’t legally own it. They willingly change the TOS to say that you’re basically renting it, and they can take it away for any reason, at any time. If they can take away something I paid money for, it’s not wrong to pirate it.
Not to mention, it’s not theft because the original is still intact.
If I go steal a car, I’m taking the physical item and depriving the owner of said item.
If I download a movie, the movie is still there, it has been copied at best, not “stolen.”
It’s like watching a baseball game from the fence, sure you didn’t pay for the ticket, but you’re not occupying a seat so that someone else can’t pay to use it.
If I download a movie, it doesn’t take it off netflix so nobody else can enjoy it.
Okay so its forgery? Who gives a fuck, its all a type of stealing shit.
No.
That’s a different argument though. If you have paid for a license to the content and they remove the distribution method or kill the drm that allows access to it. I’d say it’s fair game that you find an “alternative” copy of the content or work around to keep access to what you paid for. Unless you are knowingly buying it on a 1 off rental basis.
Don’t get me wrong, the current system is not weighted in the consumers favour at all and it’s a good reason to not play the game and avoid netflix, buy drm free computer games, etc but I just object to the argument the people who pirate are somehow noble robinhoods in a legally sound position. You’re still knowingly accessing something that someone paid to create and you’re gaining a benefit from that in entertainment. You’re just finding a way to justify doing so that sits right with your own moral code.
If everyone pirated, the entertainment industry would cease to exist or at least be greatly reduced the remaining people would only be doing it as a hobby. Big budget moves and TV series, AAA computer games would no longer find funding if no one at the consumer end is paying for it.
You’re still knowingly accessing something that someone paid to create and you’re gaining a benefit from that in entertainment.
And how do you feel about adblockers? By using one you’re depriving sites of the ad revenue they’d gain off of you reading their article or watching their video, etc. Do you use one or are you raw dogging the internet so that the content servers can harvest your data which they sell to serve you targeted ads?
I feel like, in the long run, this is going to be a good thing.
Hopefully:
Consumers will realise the problems with streaming platforms and those who pirate will realise the importance of supporting the studios they like.
Then there will be less people using the streaming services and more people buying copies directly from the studio.All that remains is studios using a service that P2Ps directly to the customer’s computer, bypassing all the wasted Blu-ray plastics.
I am going to, once again, give the example of Steam game soundtracks, which I can keep wherever I want and listen to, using whichever software I want.
Your gonna get down votes and people crying about how words can mean anything, but entirely true. Risk/reward is 99% of it. Its also socially acceptable to talk about owning pirated media, which reduces the risk.
Not the gotcha you think it is. They said competitors, piracy makes them use your own product and not pay you for it.
Would a kid buy photoshop if they had to? Probably not. Would a sketchy company? Yup.
Would a sketchy company? Yup.
Completely irrellevant to the discussion and nice ragebait, but whatever.
I don’t see how it is. A kid that can’t afford to buy photoshop won’t buy it any more than a sketchy company would, just like how facebook much rather steal material than pay their way for it. The difference obviously being that the sketch company might very well have the capital to pay their way, they’re just used to get away with it.
The point you are missing is the “had to”.
The sketchy company didn’t have to pay the creators for it because it was available via different means.
They would have had to, if they couldn’t find it otherwise.Of course, in that case, they would have “borrowed” it from libraries and such, but then again, the premise is that they had to, which is not being fulfilled in your example.
Tell that to all of the monopolies that have totally captured a market segment.
It seems just fitting that he wears a hat that you need bezier curves to draw perfectly with vector graphics!
Lost dollars because of free software and lost dollars because of piracy are both imaginary numbers.
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Thank you Martin and Inkscape-team!
Ive used both inskape and illustrator and inkscape is better and has been better ux wise since day 1 for me.
Inkscape is good but it can’t replace illustrator, especially for the needs of someone willing to pay $1000/year for it
Maybe the affinity suite is more appropriate (ROI in just 2 months of adobe subscription)
I disagree with that framing, someone not buying your shit is not the same as you losing money. Inkscape saved millions for graphic designers, which is very different. Adobe was not entitled to that money, you can’t lose something that was never yours.
Subtle distinction, but actually pretty huge. I agree with you. Companies also use this to say that pirating is stealing, when they never had the business in the first place.
Yeah. If piracy wasn’t an option, I just wouldn’t play those games.
So many games I have pirated that I have yet to play because there aren’t enough hours in the day and I don’t want to spend them all gaming.
All the money you give these corporations will be used against you someday.
Exactly. I’m pirating because I can’t afford to pay hundreds of dollars each month to watch all the movies and shows that I do. If I didn’t have the opportunity to pirate, I still wouldn’t afford it legitimately…
It’s also a great way to demo games and other software if you can afford it before you waste money on something that has no value to you. This is especially useful when you’re on a tight budget.
Just put in your credit card for the 7 day trial! Totally easy to cancel, pinky promise
And the 7-day free trian totally will not become a 2 year subscription which costs more to cancel than keep, and the price will not be 3x the sticker price had you just gotten to the “buy” option. We’re a legit business!
So close.
You should be pirating even if you can afford it because pirating is a tool to help reduce the disparity in wealth.
Uhm. I don’t have a big picture view to claim yay or nay on this one but it seems like if everyone did that we wouldn’t have any entertainment at all. With only small wealth in entertainment, we would only have indie low budget movies and shows, too.
I dunno. It’s a pros and cons situation, for sure.
“I bought a lottery ticket and didn’t win. I lost 50 millions dollars!”
- adobe
You are right, of course, but I personally draw a great of pleasure from imaging the CEO of Adobe screaming, “CURSE YOU MARTIN OWENS!!!”
I had exactly 0 intention of ever buying anything from Adobe.
Inkscape gave me an alternative to the high seas. And it happens to do everything I need it to, although it’s way more powerful than the simple vector graphics conversions I use it for.
10/10, Adobe never lost money from me getting Inkscape. They lost the game before they knew I was a player.
I was prepared to scold you for being pedantic, but upon further reflection, I’ve concluded that you are 100% correct, and your point is germane to the conversation at hand, so you get an upvote instead.
Companies talk about lesser earnings as losses all the time.
And they’re wrong all the time
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I worked for a company that made MIDI sequencers. Had been making them for decades before I got there, and still making them long after I left.
One of the first products I worked on, the marketing team decided to put on the box, “World’s first ever MIDI sequencer” 😆
We almost need a new series called, “Companies Say the Darndest Things” that picks up after the original. I’m sure a lot of the kids in the original show are running these companies now.
I agree. I would never have bought Adobe, I would have not the little bit of vector drawing I have done.
I’m grateful for InkScape, but I wouldn’t have bought or downloaded anything otherwise, so I neither saved nor did Adobe lose.
Right, it’s akin to saying he stole that money from Adobe the same way the media companies imply that poor people making digital copies of music and movies they wouldn’t be able to afford otherwise is theft.
Thank you.
those dollars were not adobe’s to lose but users’ to save
This is the heart of the matter. You can’t lose what you never had.
He has a Samson Meteor microphone. Same as mine. He is cool in my book :D
I have the same shityy little speakers too, good for the price point though
So the website is super summy, finally found the “real” download button which took me to the MS app store. Ok fine, but now its been 10 minutes and it actually hasn’t started downloading yet…
Are you sure you are at https://inkscape.org/ ?
Last time I downloaded it ~1 year ago I don’t remember any hoops I had to jump through.
Can confirm, your link worked great, was able to directly download the installer. Thank you!
I am a Corel kind of bird myself, having used it both professionally (which is how I got started with it) and at home for a couple of decades now. I will say two things about that:
In its current version Inkscape is roughly on par with were CorelDraw was in its 4.0 state or thereabouts (which I still have a copy of, on like seventeen 3.5" floppy disks!) which sounds like damning with faint praise but it really isn’t considering that Inkscape costs nothing to use.
However, one factor that I think most people don’t think about is that Inkscape is currently the best software I’ve ever used, bar none, for ripping apart .pdf documents made by other software, for the purposes of monkeying with their contents. And that’s a ten story tall flaming middle finger to Adobe, and completely obviates the need for 99.9999999% of all users to ever have to pay for the “pro” version of Adobe Acrobat or whatever they’re calling it this week just to be able to made minor adjustments to a .pdf.
Ok …. Your enthusiasm about the pdf ripping has won me over. I’m trying this shit asap
I had no idea Inkscape could work with PDFs like that. Thank you!
Great for text, also. Easy to orientated in any direction… Excellent for quick one-off wiring diagrams.
I’ve always used LibreOffice for that purpose. It’s more familiar if you’re used to office software vs graphics design software.
Just don’t try it with a 60MB+, 200 page+ file.
This is good to know!
You may not know if you exclusively use Corel, but where do you think Corel stands compared to Illustrator these days?
I’m a pro graphic designer, so you can be as technical as you like.
I’ve been messing around with Affinity Designer a bit lately, and while it’s gotten a lot better over the years (and some features have surpassed Adobe), the little things and workflow stuff is still such a step down I find it hard to want to use it still.
I use both Corel and Illustrator for work but I’m very much more “fluent” with Illustrator. I’d say they have a bit different focus. While I hate Adobe with a passion, I’d say Illustrator is a lot better. My co-worker who works with large format printing, likes Corel more.
Appreciate that perspective. I also can’t wait to kick Adobe to the curb someday, but I usually have the same experience when trying alternatives.
Adobe stuff is slowly falling apart though it feels like. It’s coasting on the brilliant work of the original devs pre-creative cloud, and while there have been a few genuinely good features added over the years, I hate to say that most new features they add feel like amateur hour to me. They just lack the level of polish and attention to detail that old features had. It doesn’t feel like the people making it understand the workflow of a professional anymore. They’re also just getting slow. Whenever I open Affinity I’m struck by how much more performant it feels!
Yes, slowly falling apart is a good description. I’m actually thinking of just switching careers. I work in print, so Adobe is pretty much a standard, there are very few viable alternatives.
I do a lot of print design too so I feel it
No idea, unfortunately. I have not touched any of the professional Adobe products in any detail since abandoning Premiere Pro back in probably around 2009. I briefly dabbled with a pirated version of Illustrator when I first got my X1 Yoga and discovered that it did not work correctly with the inbuilt stylus, full stop, and I abandoned it on the spot. I haven’t looked back since.
I did not choose the Corel suite on purpose at the beginning but when I was starting out working professionally it’s what the company worked for used in house, and I’ve stuck with it ever since due to CorelDraw and PhotoPaint doing everything I need and my continued familiarity with it. From what I understand Illustrator is more complex and for that reason some people insist it’s more “powerful,” but I suspect that really just means it’s more byzantine and harder to use. I’ve never not been able to do anything I needed to do with the Corel suite, except:
CorelDraw is to this day useless for editing .pdfs. Which is pretty damn rich for a professional graphics editing suite that costs $400 for a full license. I mean, it can, insofar as the file open and import dialogs will let you choose and load one, but it basically never works right and tends to produce a broken mess. Somehow Inkscape always works for me. So I have a copy of it around on all my machines alongside Corel, for those instances where I need to tweak or extract something from a .pdf and whoever gave it to me won’t provide the source.
I’ve been curious about Corel for a while, so I may need to bite the bullet and get it sometime.
Illustrator is absolutely a byzantine mess lmao. The reason it’s so favored (I don’t want to say loved, but favored) is because of the depth of features, and also how fast it is to work in once you’ve learned it’s bizarre interface.
Some of it is definitely unfamiliarity, but I always find when using Affinity that things that are a single click or a hotkey + click in illustrator are multiple clicks without a hotkey in affinity. In isolation not a huge difference, but when you do it full time it adds up.
Your workflow in the main Corel suite apps is completely customizable. It has a default layout and shortcut configuration as well as a preset that it comes with which allegedly apes Illustrator’s, but you can if you prefer redefine almost everything.
You can choose what tools go in your toolbars, which options show in your drop down menus, where those toolbars are located, and you can even reconfigure the keyboard shortcuts for literally every command, including adding shortcuts to commands which don’t have one by default. I think the only limitation is that they can’t conflict with inbuilt OS hotkeys, e.g. you can’t bind anything to Alt + F4.
You can also perform macros and script the main suite apps using VBA which is only mildly opaque, but opens up the possibility of a world of batch processing tricks if you feel like going down that rabbit hole. I prefer to use Imagemagick for that sort of thing, personally.
That’s definitely good stuff. Affinity is also lacking in interface customization I’ve found.
I fucking loved Corel, I’ve never really found an adequate replacement for it. Guess I’ll be giving InkScape a try, thanks
Have you tried LibreOffice Draw? I love it for that same reason.
I have, but in general I find Inkscape to be superior overall. The last time I tried the LibreOffice component it did not handle multiple pages very well.
Huh, last time I tried I had the reverse impression. But it’s been a few years.
I was just needing to rip apart a pdf for content the other day. Good to know.
This functionality with PDFs is natively built into MacOS. One of the reasons I chose a Mac for my latest PC.
At my old job we used Macs for two reasons: Preview and Outlook on MacOS. I know it sounds silly to people who don’t have to work with email or pdf’s as much as I had to, but it was absolutely the right call for the work we had to do.
Also, depending on your use case it’s crazy how much worse Outlook is on Windows. Local indexing is far worse on Windows, and trying to search a big mailbox brings the app to its knees.
Preview? Am I missing something? I hate that you can even navigate through photos with left right arrows, I never use preview for anything if I can avoid it.
Preview is a fantastic pdf viewer and basic editor, which is what we used it for.
That’s hilarious, because less than 10 years ago Outlook on Mac was so fucking broken that I started a list of the weirdest and funniest bugs at the time.
Also it seems frankly insane to me that people would actively choose a Mac for this reason, and I say that as an M4 owner. But I guess it’s true that for most users the OS barely matters as long as their 2-3 apps and the browser work fine.
Then why do you use this shit software?
It’s even worse with the "new " Outlook, so you might need to look for something else anyway
Oh yeah, I wouldn’t use Outlook myself lol, especially the newer version.
