There has to be an option where digital payment is concerned that allows an intermediate step that anonymizes transactions so one hand doesn’t know what the other is doing.
This bullshit really makes me not want to see digital currency at all now, of any kind.
I just called visa and got the send an email spiel. I didn’t have time to do more time wasting, but it’s clear from the person I talked to they are getting lots of calls.
The person in the screenshots getting the supervisor and escalating is a top tier time waster, great work!
Here’s a list of MasterCard’s toll-free phone numbers in various countries: https://www.mastercard.fi/content/dam/public/mastercardcom/na/global-site/documents/global-services-phone-numbers.pdf
And here’s the same for Visa: https://www.visa.fi/content/dam/VCOM/download/personal/security/gcas_general_numbers.pdf
And the content of that file, in case that they might remove that link:
Mastercard Global Service™
Local Toll-Free Telephone Numbers
- American Samoa 1-1-800-307-7309
- Japan 00531-11-3886
- Anguilla 1-800-307-7309
- Korea, Republic of 0079-811-887-0823
- Antigua and Barbuda 1-800-307-7309
- Liechtenstein 0800-89-7092
- Argentina 0800-555-0507
- Luxembourg 800-2-4533
- Australia 1800-120-113
- Malaysia 1-800-804594
- Austria 0800-07-06-138
- Mexico 001-800-307-7309
- Bahamas 1-800-307-7309
- Monaco 0-800-90-1387
- Bahrain 8000-0087
- Montserrat 1-800-307-7309
- Barbados 1-800-307-7309
- Netherlands 0800-022-5821
- Belgium 0800-1-5096
- New Zealand 800-441-671
- Bermuda 1-800-307-7309
- Norway 800-12697
- Bolivia 800-10-0172
- Panama 001-800-307-7309
- Bonaire 001-800-307-7309
- Peru 0800-77-476
- Brazil 0800-891-3294
- Philippines 1-800-1-111-0061
- Cambodia 800-881-001 then 877-288-3891*
- Poland 0-0800-111-1211
- Canada 1-800-307-7309
- Portugal 800-8-11-272
- Cayman Islands 1-800-307-7309
- Puerto Rico 1-800-307-7309
- Chile 1230-020-2012
- The Russia 8-800-555-02-69
- China 10-800-110-7309**
- Saba 1-800-307-7309
- China 2 10-800-711-7309***
- St. Eustatius 1-800-307-7309
- Colombia 01-800-912-1303
- St. Maarten 1-800-307-7309
- Costa Rica 0-800-011-0184
- St. Kitts-Nevis 1-800-307-7309
- Curacao 001-800-307-7309
- Saipan (N. Marianas) 1-800-307-7309
- Cyprus 080-90569
- San Marino 800-870-866
- Czech Republic 800-142-494
- Saudi Arabia 800-844-9457
- Denmark 8001-6098
- Singapore 800-1100-113
- Dominica 1-800-307-7309
- South Africa 0800-990418
- Dominican Republic 1-800-307-7309
- Spain 900-822-756
- Finland 08001-156234
- Sweden 020-791-324
- France 0-800-90-1387
- Switzerland 0800-897-092
- Germany 0800-071-3542
- Taiwan 00801-10-3400
- Greece 00-800-11-887-0303
- Thailand 001-800-11-887-0663
- Grenada 1-800-307-7309
- Trinidad and Tobago 1-800-307-7309
- Guam 1-800-307-7309
- Turkey 00-800-13-887-0903
- Guatemala 1-800-999-1480
- Turks and Caicos 01-800-307-7309
- Hong Kong 800-966677
- United Arab Emirates 800-0444-3895
- Hungary 06800-12517
- United Kingdom 0800-96-4767
- India 000-800-100-1087
- United States 1-800-307-7309
- Indonesia 001803-1-887-0623
- Vatican City State 800-870-866
- Ireland 1-800-55-7378
- Venezuela 0800-1-002902
- Israel 180-941-8873
- Vietnam 120-11576
- Italy 800-870-866
- Virgin Islands, 1-800-307-7309
- Jamaica 0800-307-7309
- Virgin Islands, U.S. 1-800-307-7309
Last Updated 31 January 2019
The contents of the file for Visa’s phone numbers:
Δ Await second dial tone
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Anguilla 1-800-847-2911
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Antigua 1-800-847-2911
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Argentina 0800-666-0171
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Aruba 800-1518
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Australia 1-800-125-440
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Austria 0 800-200-288Δ800-892-8134
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Bahamas 1-800-847-2911
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Bahrain 800-006
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Barbados 1-800-847-2911
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Belgium 0800-1-8397
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Belize 811 or 555Δ800-847-2911
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Bermuda 1-800-847-2911
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Bolivia 800-10-0188
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Bonaire* 001-800-847-2911
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Brazil 0800-891-3680
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British Virgin Islands 1-800-847-2911
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Bulgaria 00-800-0010Δ888-557-4446
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Cambodia 1-800-881-001Δ888-710-7783
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Canada 1-800-847-2911
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Cayman Islands 1-800-847-2911
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Chile 1230-020-2136
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Mainland China (South) 10-800-110-2911
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Mainland China (North) 10-800-711-2911
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Colombia 01-800-912-5713
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Costa Rica 0-800-011-0030
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Croatia 0-800-220-111Δ866-654-0125
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Curacao* 001-800-847-2911
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Czech Republic 800-142-121
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Denmark 80-010277
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Dominica 1-800-847-2911
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Dominican Republic 1-800-847-2911
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Ecuador 1-999-119 or 1-800-225-528Δ800-847-2911
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Egypt (Cairo only) 2510-0200Δ866-654-0128
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Egypt (outside Cairo) 02-2510-0200Δ866-654-0128
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El Salvador 800-6921
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Estonia 800-12001Δ800-406-9982
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Finland 0800-11-0057
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France 0800-90-1179
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Germany 0800-000-6510
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Gibraltar 8800-877-3745966
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Greece 00-800-11-638-0304
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Grenada 1-800-847-2911
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Guam 1-800-847-2911
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Guatemala 1-800-999-0115
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Guyana 159Δ1-855-477-1390
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Honduras 800-0123Δ800-847-2911
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Hong Kong 800-96-7025
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Hungary 06-800-17682
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India 000-800-100-1219
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Indonesia 001-803-1-933-6294
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Ireland, Republic of 1-800-55-8002
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Israel 1-80-941-1605
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Italy 800-819-014
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Jamaica 0-800-847-2911
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Japan 00531-11-1555
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Jordan 1-880-0000Δ888-557-4442
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Kazakhstan 8 800-121-4321Δ888-557-4447
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Kenya 866-654-0162
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Latvia 8000-02288
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Lebanon 01-426-801Δ866-654-0130
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Liechtenstein 0800-89-4732
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Luxembourg 0800-2012
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Macedonia 0800-94288Δ888-557-4458
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Malaysia 1800-80-0159
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Mauritius 01-120Δ866-654-0165
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Mexico 001-800-847-2911
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Monaco 0800-90-1179
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Montserrat 1-800-847-2911
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Morocco 002-11-0011Δ866-654-0163
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Netherlands 0800-022-3110
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Nevis 1-800-847-2911
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New Zealand 0800-44-3019
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Norway 800-12052
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Panama 001-800-111-0016
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Paraguay 008-11-800Δ800-599-1137
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Perú 001-800-890-0623
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Philippines 1-800-1-111-9015
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Poland 0-0-800-111-1569
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Portugal 800-8-11-824
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Puerto Rico 1-800-847-2911
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Romania 0 808-03-4288Δ888-557-4416
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Saba* 1-800-847-2911
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Saint Eustatius* 1-800-847-2911
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Saint Kitts 1-800-847-2911
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Saint Lucia 800-238-5517
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Saint Maarten* 1-800-847-2911
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San Marino 800-819-014
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Saudi Arabia 1-800-10Δ866-654-0129
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Senegal 800-103-072Δ888-557-4451
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Singapore 800-110-0344
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Slovakia 0 800-000-101Δ800-406-9970
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South Africa 0800-990-475
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South Korea 00798-11-00-908-12
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Spain 900-99-1124
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Sweden 020 160 4293
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Switzerland 0800-89-4732
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Taiwan 00801-10-3008
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Thailand 001-800-11-535-0660
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Trinidad and Tobago 1-800-847-2911
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Turkey 00-800-13-535-0900
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Turks and Caicos 0-1-800-847-2911
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Ukraine 800-502-886Δ888-557-4445
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United Arab Emirates 8000-021Δ866-654-0112
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United Kingdom 0800-89-1725
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United States 1-800-847-2911
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Uruguay 00-0411-940-7915
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U.S. Virgin Islands 1-800-847-2911
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Venezuela 0800-1-002167
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Vietnam 1 201-0288Δ888-710-7781
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Updated 1/10/2023
I support this but I find it fascinating the steam this can build and quick activism with guides and yet I never see any of this stuff when it comes to political policies
Threats to the bottom line is the thing that motivates companies faster than anything else.
is there any EU law that prohibits this itch/steam situation and the mastercard email contact information?
No
Great
Time to cancel some cards
Lol I’m on the visa line with Visa now, they have a prepared statement about this.
They are trying to say they only ever block purchases unless it’s illegal.
They explicitly said they DO NOT moderate purchases unless it is illegal multiple times. I kept challenging her and saying it’s not illegal, yet they moderate, but she told me she can only read the prepared statement and repeated it multiple times. She then told me I would have to email them to “share my perspective” and then hung up on me.
Good thing what they say doesn’t matter, since goal is to tie up the lines.
I love how facts are just rendered to perspectives now.
Corporations lie blatantly all the fucking time.
Its just that they lie in ways that usually are not able to be legally defined as some kind of a legally actionable version of a lie.
They are usually more worried with ever having outwardly admitting something that they could be sued over, than they are with any kind of human to human sense of accountability or believability.
Every, single, thing they are mass releasing or designing as an official stance has gone through some kind of legal team, or a team under a legal team that follow’s guidelines from a legal team.
This is just how megacorps work.
They are not people, they are a sociopathic machine, operated by people who very much tend to be sociopaths.
It’s a common tactic of fascists. If you point blank refuse to accept reality and just keep repeating the same lie over and over maybe people will believe it. Of course it doesn’t really work. The people that were going to believe you already believe you, and the people who don’t believe you, will never believe you. Sadly despite the fact that it doesn’t work, they keep doing it.
But it does work.
If they keep you busy arguing about what’s real they never have to discuss actions or resolutions.
I could not have worded it any more succinctly. This is what capitalism + the internet has done to us.
That is true, these are perspectives. Nobody knows the truth, only a projection if it upon their world.
It’s just that by that they are claiming that it’s their perspective which decides what will happen.
In other words, they are saying “so whatcha gonna do”.
If anyone has the GPUs to self-host LLMs to spam the shit out of them, it’s gamers. Gotta get on an easy-to-self-host project to distribute to the community 😄
you can probably use the tts tools from hume.ai
I think the limiting factor would be getting your number blocked. Maybe someone could get a bunch of VoIP numbers?
This is what spammers, scammers, identity thieves, ‘pig-butcherers’, credit collections do.
It absolutely works.
Wow. Imagine being able to buy a video game online with a credit card, without having to drive to the department store to buy it! You don’t even have to move from your seat! How draconian THAT would be!
Who has complained about that?
Couldn’t you just buy it on GOG or something? Steam sucks anyway why expend the effort
Talk about completely missing the point. Money processors have no business telling us what we can buy or where.
They will go to gog next, genius, they also sell adult games since last year.
You’ve missed the point entirely.
Please enlighten me.
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When you buy a game, doesn’t matter the platform, you pay for it with a credit card. The credit card companies are holding the game platform hostage, saying either they start censoring what games they sell or they lose the ability to process any credit cards for any games at all.
That is essentially holding a gun to their heads, if they can’t process credit cards they can’t bring in any money and they might as well just close shop and go home because their business is finished.
You can boycott steam or itch or whatever else, but they all use the same credit card processing systems- Visa, MasterCard, Discover, etc. if they start applying these policies to all game retailers, it will simply become impossible to buy any vaguely pornographic game. Period. Anywhere.Thus, boycotting steam or itch is counterproductive. They are victims just as much as the consumers. They have no desire to ban these games, they were happily selling these games a week ago. But when they are being told ‘ban a bunch of low volume games or you cease to exist as a company’ that is what they do.
Thus, this phone call campaign. It is focusing on the credit card companies, the ones who are actually applying this pressure to game companies.
It is telling them we do not want them dictating what people are and are not allowed to spend money on. We do not want them to enforce morality. And if they got the impression we did, it’s because a small minority made a couple of phone calls.
The idea is if 1,000 people call in and complain about the porn game, and 100,000 people call in and complain about the censorship, hopefully they will get the message.
Not my job.
Hey now, why stop these people FROM CHANGING THE WORLD?! The stakes are too high gramps!
You are right, let’s all do absolutely nothing when corporations inch themselves into controlling every aspect of our lives.
They came for our porn!!!
Do you support incest and rape video games being globally banned from sale? I mean, I can kind of get it, its fucked up porn.
But I don’t like the idea of fictional smut, even if of particularly morally questionable type of porn, gets globally banned (as long as its just fictional obviously).
What people jork their peanits/flick their bean to as long as no one was actually harmed in its production is none of my or your business.
Obviously, there is also the chilling effect of letting this censorship slide and the anti-democratic nature of payment processors being the ones enforcing this. But I suspect those are unconvincing to you and you are happy this stuff is harder to get now. Am I wrong?
That’s their excuse but they are banning all adult games not just the incest and rape ones.
Fictional isn’t the same as not real.
Fiction is definitionally not true or is made up.
Cool, I didnt expect you to understand my point.
Nothing like a gaming platform that won’t let you refund your purchases after 2 hours of playtime.
I think you are confused about this it works. Steam absolutely does refunds after 2 hours of playtime, it’s just that if you have less than 2 hours it’s mostly automated and you don’t need a reason for the refund.
My bad.
Still, that gives them the discretion to turn you down.
No shit… you think it’d be fair to devs and creators if you could just buy the game, play it for 15 hours and then get a refund every time?
Better than no refunds?
I’m looking for something a bit more reasonable. GOG lets you do it within 30 days regardless of playtime I think.
I like the story but hate the fact it’s all in separate tweets.
Here’s the summarized version:
Be Polite.
Act as if you only understand ‘the effects’, have a nebulous notion of ‘the cause’.
Act like you know little other than this, and insist they explain it to you like you are a five year old.
Waste as much of their time as possible, without becoming hotheaded, instead become sad-confused.
“I’m not so much angry, as I am disappointed” type of vibe / energy.
And if possible, be genuinely kind to the low level, actual people you talk to, they literally do not make the rules.
They just wasted your time too with their strung out story. They’re in too deep!
Maybe you should call and stop pay with their services
And what do you recommend paying with instead?
Now bombard senators and reps about Palestine, the global South, Africa, Asia, and domestically, rent caps, grocery caps, single payer, comprehensive health, living wages, safe working and living conditions, fossil fuels, climate extinction, taxing TF out of the ultrawealthy and mega corps, chemicals out of food, water, air…
The person who made the image had a cause they cared about and did something about it. If you care about those causes you should absolutely do the same.
Otherwise you just sound like you’re lashing out at people who are doing something about something, while you are doing nothing about anything.
By the way, how many of those causes have you called your representative about?
I’m active in my community and I’m sure my congressional representatives wish I’d move, as the ones I had prior.
It’s odd how so many are quick to add their personal interpretations.
It’s odd how so many are quick to add their personal interpretations.
Right, it’s not like that’s what you immediately did in your first comment.
You also didn’t answer the question as to how many of those causes you called your representatives about.
I asked that people be as passionate for things I’ve mentioned. Any one will do.
Every. Single. Issue.
I asked that people be as passionate for things I’ve mentioned.
No, you didn’t. You’ve bombarded them with a long list of “whatabouts” that is only going to exhaust them, not move them to action.
“What about” is a fantastic way to breed apathy when people are protesting something. You’re doing nothing for any of those causes with this comment. You’re making things worse for all of those causes, plus the one this post is about. And your comment only tangentially relates to the Community this post is in…
But how can I be expected to sign the SKG petition, while people in West Sahara live under Morocco’s unjust occupation?
Tap for spoiler
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SKG is privileged western bullshit. It is a way to distract from real issues while feeling like you had an impact on something.
I just happen to have the foresight to know that 20 years from now it will sound stupid to brag that I helped change some obscure game development process for a tiny bit more convenience.
This is all absurd and a waste of time, but whatever makes people feel useful I guess.
Oh no! All the real issues would hang been solved if only I hadn’t taken 5 whole minutes to sign a petition for SKG!
What is wrong with that? It’s not like actual democracies are a thing. The elites somewhat allow us to decide on “Western bullshit” topics such as killing games, gendered bathrooms, national dishes, and other issues that don’t affect their bottom lines. They don’t allow us to influence geopolitics. Sure you can yell about freeing Congo, and it should be… but ehh, if some people care about stop killing games then whatever. Anything positive is something - and I don’t even really play video games or care about this thing.
What people care about is literally the whole ball game.
World peace, end hunger are not entertaining as “How to get an A from your professor - sorority/fraternity party edition” (coming to iOS and Android).
You have underestimated the power of porn games.
That’s also why in the middle of the previous century propaganda was mostly aimed at women. That’s killing two birds with one stone.
Everyone has their path into activism and politicization. Last time this happened was when wikileaks got blocked by visa/mastercard, next time, with this experience it may be one of those causes.
Comparing blocking payment to wikileaks and blocking payment for porn video games is absurd. Is nuance dead?
It’s the slowly boiling water, mate. You think governments give a fuck whether some neckbeards play incest video games in their mum’s basement? It’s about power and expanding the reach of what they can monitor and control. One day it’s porn games the next day it’s books. It’s a tiny step towards a more and more authoritarian world.
This has nothing to do with government, its a business decision. How do you make sense of anything you just posted?
It’s not just a “business decision”. It’s about control and they’re connected. You’re naive if you don’t see the bigger picture
Surely.
There’s always a gap between “Someone should do something about this” and “I should do something about this”.
Once that line gets crossed, plans like OP’s post start.
It’s somebody else’s problem.
Yeah they’re starting with something that hit close to home without feeling like they’ll get disappeared or ignored.
honestly there needs to be a git project that I can clone that uses a local LLM to auto call all of the senators, congressmen, reps, whoever. Also call all of the visa/mastercard callcenters non stop. And I mean non stop. Bonus points to use public figure voices. As in use AI to do our bidding.
https://github.com/vndee/local-talking-llm
Seems like it would be a good place to start. You’d need to write the bit in order to send the output to a voip service and receive the input from the same service.
If you could get that going in a container you could spawn a bunch of them on VPSs (finding ones that have the hardware to run local AI would probably be expensive, probably better to use a hosting service if you’re going to scale this).
I’m sure there are more conversation agent frameworks that people have built (it’s a pretty simple loop to create), but if you wanted to get started this isn’t bad.
It’s already here, so…
Chemicals in food and water? You think you can live without chemicals?
Mate, some of my relatives are made of chemicals
Just some?
Others too
I can’t say for sure.
After the first one, it has become much harder to get core samples.
Hell, internet chemist here, I can say with certainty that they is chemicals…
Unless you’re a family with a free energy being background?
Given the reactions at Thanksgiving, I think some may be antimatter
I hate to break it to you, but antimatter is just extra spicy chemicals
Please. You should know what I mean.
Considering that “chemicals” is such a loaded word now with ignorant and dangerous people like RFK Jr in positions of power, maybe get specific.
What do those have to do with my video games?? I just wanna
grillgame!Nice empathy.
It was sarcasm. I really dislike that the only thing young men will protest about is saving video games.
It’s not the only thing people are protesting about is just the only thing people are protesting about in this thread.
You’re really determined to be angry about this aren’t you
You know cuz no one’s been protesting about Palestine for the last whole bloody year have they, oh no that’s definitely not been happening. <<< That bit sarcasm just in case you didn’t get that.
Thank you for clarifying. Poe’s law is alive and well!
PS also Epstein files
Definitely
Getting downvoted for wanting people to advocate for better living conditions, way to go .world!
It’s amazing that you posted this after having a fairly good explanation as to why it’s not a good idea to conflate too many things together.
If you string too many things to a cause you dilute all of them. Especially because MasterCard and Visa have nothing to do with what’s happening in Palestine so linking the two causes together just weakens both of them.
but Maeve said to call the senators about these, not mastercard. and you don’t need to call them about all of these topics at once either.
But the Visa thing is an international issue that can be dealt with by contacting Visa. They’re talking about contacting US senators, which is obviously not an international thing, it’s an American thing. I know a lot of Americans have difficulty understanding that America doesn’t equal the whole world, but come on.
Go do that too but don’t try and link it to this because it’s not even remotely related.
I don’t see how that makes the same method unsuitable. and no, I’m not an American, and I never have been there.
It makes a difference because it’s about having an effect.
American politics is really fucked, seriously it’s utterly beyond repair it’s totally corrupt. No one can achieve anything in that failure of a nation state.
Meanwhile we might actually be able to affect real political change here and I don’t want American politics all over an actual worthwhile cause.
If you want to advocate for American causes please go create your own goddamn thread, I promise not to involved in it.
You can replace congressional representatives with MPs or whatever is appropriate.
.world is full of children who dont understand time yet. They think everything is final, and you just need to judge a thing once. They compile lists of who is out and who is in, and make memes appropriately. They kick out anyone who doesnt fit their group.
If someone can point out the difference between middle school and .world, I’d love to hear it because I can’t think of one.
I think the people using the biggest whataboutism argument I’ve ever seen are the ones acting like middle schoolers, but that’s just me.
Feel free to make a new post listing senators’ contact information, walking people through calling their senators about those issues, and giving them a rough script or an idea of what to say. That would be a hell of a lot more productive than all the whining and complaining y’all are doing in this post.
They won’t, since they only want to nag and feel superior for caring “real issues”.
All consumer rights aren’t real issues but we still have them, SKG just wants the law to act on the companies clearly breaking it.
Its adorable you think those are effective tactics.
Those tactics are literally working this very minute. What tactics would you rather see?
Wait! Don’t reply here, go make a post about it! I promise that will be more effective than continuing what you’re doing here.
Fine you win.
Would you please go call you senator or congressperson, local politician or mayor, perhaps a school board member or library director, and state your opposition to visa and MasterCard refusing service for sexual abuse related products.
There, I’m contributing just as much as you are! Twinsies!
Lol. Lmao even. Poor reading comprehension, strawmanning, and false equivalency all in one short comment, congratulations. You’d do well troll comment golf! You even snuck some childish huffing in there without adding too many extra characters!
Our priorities are showing.
It’s impressive how much people get riled up about not getting porn. I don’t blame them but I also don’t see this as activism, I doubt anyone really spending the time on this cares about possible future censorship that others who are not them may face, they just want to buy their porn.
First they came for the porn…
This isn’t about porn games. They removed Detroit: Become Human.
If you think this will stop at porn games, then you’re a fool.
Maybe they reversed it in that case after outrage… I’m basing it on the reporting:
https://www.polygon.com/news/615910/itchio-steam-sex-adult-games-delisting-pulled-vice-controversy
In this case, the furor is driven by the knowledge that Collective Shout isn’t merely against games like No Mercy. It’s also waged a campaign against titles like Detroit: Become Human, Quantic Dream’s adventure game that is decidedly not an “adult” game, and titles like hentai puzzle/dating sim Huniepop. The worry is that, by bucking to pressure from groups like Collective Shout, platforms like Steam pave the way for more extreme censorship measures.
So maybe it was a separate campaign regarding Detroit?
How about reading a bit instead of thinking you have it all figured out?
I don’t want Christians dictating what I can and cannot do.
they will go for games that have violence, horror and dark humor next.
oh I see so you’ve decided what’s going on and are now angry about that.
I’m sorry that your story version of me is letting you down. I’m not really sure what I can do about it though.
This is not about the porn. If you think about it for more than 3 seconds it becomes obvious how this is about the power finance institutions have over morals and society and how religious groups leverage moral panics as a way to weasel in harm and destroy minorities by associating immorality with marginalized groups. Just like pro-life anti choice has nothing to do with saving children, but is about hurting women and controlling their uteruses. Terfism has nothing to do with feminism but is about hurting trans people. Drug wars weren’t about protecting the youth but about destroying the rights of Hispanic and black communities. And a long list of etcéteras.
This is about defending fundamental rights that will get trampled under the guise of moral and religious righteousness. It’s about power and control. Porn is just the scapegoat. Several LGBTQ+ games were also hit, many which didn’t even have anything to do with sex, just because of this incident. That’s how it begins and it was completely intentional, the cruelty is the point.
I just sum it up to a failure of capitalism . The fact that two companies have so much power over this without having to pass any laws or legislation is really the worrying part. I just hope people continue to fight even after this one thing is resolved. Otherwise it will happen again because that’s how capitalism works
If these games are so important the devs can release them free somewhere else. Steam and itch aren’t the only place to find games, and sounds like there’s room for a new market just for these games if they are as popular as it seems.
Porn games were not the only games delisted. Many non-porn non-sex games were removed. Including LGBTQ+ games, and even award winning AAA games. There’s no rational argument but only moral outrage and FUD. This was not a financially motivated decision, capitalism cannot solve the problems it created. You can’t use commercial alternatives to dispel the damage done by this decision and again, this is not about the porn. To assume it is just about the porn is to fall for the distraction tactic. For example, the point of screaming “save the children … by murdering all trans people” is in hopes that you will get distracted enough by the first part that you’ll turn a blind eye to the second one. To excite your amygdala with enough outrage and adrenaline that your pre-frontal cortex can’t perceive that the intentions and the actions don’t follow logically from each other. You are being manipulated.
- UK would like to disagree.
- France would like to disagree.
I’ve never bought a porn game nor ever played one, but I just think it’s stupid that such large companies fold to a lobby organization and start moderating the sale of products.Christian fundamentalist activists are persistent and organized, and it’s effective. I think it’s bad how a small minority is able to dictate the lives of other people and I like how people get riled up because I hope it will remind the people in charge of those large corporations that catering to extremists is a bad decision.TLDR: Idgaf about the games, I just hate it when religious zealots dictate the lives of others.EDIT: I might have been wrong about “Collective Shout” and didn’t look into it enough before forming an opinion.
EDIT 2: Yeah, I don’t think “Incest Daughters BDSM” deserves saving. They seem to be primarily targeting rape and incest games, and I can definitely understand that you want to see rape games gone from if you’re an organisation like this. Article However, I still don’t know how accurate their own article is, I might check out more sources/perspectives when I have time.
How about Detroit: Become Human? Because they removed that as well.
I’m against the censorship, to be clear, but a David Cage game might not be the best example to use in the future lol
Why? Because you don’t like them?
It’s a perfect example, because there’s nothing even close to pornographic in that game. The only possible reason would be because there’s a lesbian android couple that runs off together (if you let them).
There’s a solid argument that most of the porn games are some form of sexual abuse. You could argue that adults should be allowed to commit fake sexual abuse but its still likely not a positive for those who consume it.
Its interesting noone here has argued for porn games, just against censorship.
Right. Most of us don’t care about the porn, which is why we’re not arguing for it. Most of us just don’t like credit card companies being allowed to dictate what we do and don’t buy.
Plus, I’m guessing anybody with an incest fetish probably understands that isn’t something to go shouting to the world if they want their position to be taken seriously.
Makes it a bit harder to tell what someone’s intentions are though doesnt it? I dont think this problem will be solved by a petition anyways, itch.io is already working on a solution and steam likely will as well but be less vocal about it and the progress they are making.
I suppose it does make it more difficult, but very few things are as black and white as “people only care because they want to play porn games”. There’s usually some nuance in there.
And who knows, this whole situation happened because a tiny group pressured companies into acting a certain way. So it’s not like putting pressure on them has no effect. May as well try.
If the outcome is the most important thing than sure, may as well try. Although that will just get some of these horrible games re-listed so again I question the motivation.
The main issue I have is when people claim they are opposed to the idea of tiny groups pressuring companies to change policy, but then argue they should use the exact same tactic. This again seems to betray their stated motivation.
