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Decades of protests and innovation to stop climate change
VS
one AI techbro
Poof! Progress gone, just like that
that is because protesting just raises the awareness of the issue. Its better than nothing, but only direct action has any effect on anything at this point. The billionaires should be considered to be akin to foreign occupation and resisted accordingly.
An “atom bomb” is not a standard unit of measurement. It’s less than helpful.
Pffft. An ‘atom bomb’ as a unit of measurement is (roughly) equal to:
ff x (hdl/afps) x solh x ambWhere:
ff = football fields
hdl = hot dog lengths
afps = average Floridian pants size
solh = Statues of Liberty heights
amb = average medical bill.Americans will do anything but use the metric system.
How many atom bombs less than helpful is it?
5
Yes but at that level of energy no unit is useful for the average person to comprehend. I somewhat understand the usage here. If it was in joules very few people would be able comprehend.
The 9 GW are already there if anyone needs a proper value, but without anything to compare it to, 9GW means nothing to most people. Hence the comparison.
9 is not the total energy. The article says the total thermal load is 16. 9 for the electrical usage and another 7-8 in the form of cooling. It also says that’s the amount of 40,000 Walmart Supercenters…if you want another non standard American unit of measurement
But then why pick 23, a number with two significant digits, to indicate scale? By this logic, 10 would be as effective at communication.
Americans will use anything but the metric system.
If you want a standard unit of measurement, I trust you can re-read the title and find “9GW” in there. That is a proper standard unit, but to most people a number so mindbogglingly huge makes no sense at all, so they added a comparison to something people are more likely to being able to even roughly conceptualize.
That 9gw is not the whole amount. the total thermal load is 16GW.
Which according to the pdf is equal to 40,000 Walmart supercenters if someone needs a non standard, American unit of measurement…
Thats enough power to send Doc and Marty on 14 and half trips through time.
that’s probably why they put an actual value in the title preceding it
Nuke bad. Propaganda
Sorry if this is a stupid question, but shouldn’t something generating the heat of several atom bombs be utilized as a heat source for making energy, instead of energy used to cool it?
I haven’t read the article, and am not a thermo-engineer, but the problem is probably one of too low of a heat for too long. To make lower you generally have to boil water into superheated steam and then can use it to turn a turbine where it loses some heat and we can extract that difference as energy. The hottest parts of the chip are probably still cooler than the steam condensing on the output of a standard steam generator.
Sounds like a problem one of our super genius god brain billionaires should be able to solve before lunch.
It’s really difficult to recuperate waste heat spread across such a large space in a way that doesn’t compromise on cooling effectiveness.
Basically not enough delta in temperature
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“When I think about what’s going to lead to intergenerational prosperity in Utah, it is not a data center, it’s the beautify of our landscapes”
This is what’s going to kill us as a species. Because a data center doesn’t do anything. Nothing worth this horrific environmental damage.
At every turn, there’s another terrible consequence to wildlife, more pollution… when did we forget we are animals, too?
Wouldn’t it be great if someone could invent some kind of technology to distribute the compute so it wasn’t so terrifyingly concentrated /s
intergenerational prosperity
If I know my rich sociopath talk, this means “generations of MY descendants being old money rich and saluting the giant portrait of ME over their comically large fireplaces.”
Only if we can strap him to the heat sinks. 🍽️
I don’t know who Kevin is, so I looked at his Wikipedia page and I’m still none the wiser what he’s actually done to “earn” all that money. Looks like a serial grifter.
Wanker from Shark tank. Should have been named Wank Tank.
And all that for some shitty pngs and the pleasure of not being attended by actual people.
I just started having random shark tank clips appear on my YouTube and totally unsurprised this dude is pos, stank vibe since the very first episode.
absolute and utter piece of shit, killed somebody a few years ago drunk-driving his boat, then made his wife take the rap for him…
Kevin is a POS and I really doubt this DataCenter will ever be built. Having said that, this article is also full of fearmongering trash.
”Turn out, it could create a massive heat island capable of devastating the area’s ecology, said Robert Davies, a physics professor at Utah State University.”
this article is also full of fearmongering trash.
”Turn out, it could create a massive heat island capable of devastating the area’s ecology, said Robert Davies, a physics professor at Utah State University.”
I work in the O&G industry. “Heat islands” are a legitimate concern for both refineries and power plants. Failure to limit the heat emissions in a given area can require personal to wear more protective gear just to get inside the facilities. Alternatively, you have to shut parts of the plant down to get people safely into and out of it for maintenance.
It absolutely has an impact on the surrounding ecology. And you can see the brownfields that certain decommissioned sites create, stretching for miles in every direction.
For a state like Utah, with a relatively low per-capita population and some of the country’s last pristine wilderness, rolling out a bunch of industrial facilities to suck up the potable water and blast the area with vented coolant would have a very real and noticeable impact.
The problem is that we’ve done this cycle of development and decimation so many times in our industrial era that “doing what we’ve always done” gets written off as fear-mongering, because we no longer recognize the impact.
Well heat islands are a real thing. If you put 9GW of energy into a data center and dont want to fry the electronics you have to expel that heat somewhere.
Data centers often expel their heat into the surrounding ecology via air con and liquid cooling.
This is selling fear because this data center won’t obey the laws of thermodynamics?
You may want to start taking this shit seriously because this type of casual acceptance is exactly what these capitalists are hoping for.
If this “fear-mongering” helps push for better climate policy, there is no downside, as acting when we don’t need to is better than not acting when we fucking should be.
That’s why it will be built. RIP Utah
What are the chances the people of Utah work together to stop it and reverse it from being built?
Dont know how it is overall in Utah currently.
Would have to be a big problem to focus on by Salt Lake City people and neighboring states assisting
0.1%
Can’t be that low
ok, 5%.
Come on skipper we need more power than that!!! /s haha
I was just joking earlier though for previous comment. Hopefully there is a good chance over there but only time will tell
How much in terms of bear farts per cubic nautical mile is that?
There’s actually need for this or they just want to fuck the environment to scam some investors?
Look at Elon musk’s gigashit, it’s a tenth of this size and because it was underused he was forced to rent it to the competition (anthropic) to pay the bills.
Americans will just outsource this environmental costs to someone else and call it a day.
Carbon offset credits. You just buy them and then the CO2 goes away because someone else will plant a tree probably somewhere. /s
Nono, someone else will pay someone elser to not cut down a tree that already exists. Then a few weeks later that someone elser will ‘decide’ to cut down that tree after all so someone else can pay them to not cut down the same tree again. On paper this counts as 2 whole trees being magically generated.
they’re rich, they’ll just buy themselves a new environment
Oh burning more fuel, you having a laugh mare?
Seriously anyone who thinks more carbon in the atmosphere is going to help may as well be in the loony bin.
Also sorry as a Canadian this idiot got vaulted to the world stage. He’s a moron as far as I can tell.
I’m just nobody though,but who can understand impact of climate change and the harm we’re doing to our world. So piss off with that idea until it produces a way to run without impacting our environment. If somehow you can then hats off to ya, I’d say I’d eat my hat but I really don’t want to and I’m a man of my word.
Mean I’d like to say worse and don’t expect anything but if somehow it can be better than thank them all. If not, fuck off for the advertisement I’ve seen enough commercials.
I’d hate to say it but that useless loser should stick to acting or boating.
