If somebody actually hates all trans people, then I suggest it’s not worthwhile for decent humans to strain their sanity to analyze whether bigots’ patterns of hate and logic are internally consistent.
Drop down consequences on that person, shunning, unemployment, leave them to rot. Effectively exterminating biggots.
It sounds cruel, but arguing with them, rarely changes them. They need to be suppressed or neutralized.
Put the stress on the word “you” at the beginning.
They’re saying YOU can’t do that. They can do whatever they want.
How the fuck are we regressing SO far and SO far?!?! Even having to say ‘trans rights are human rights’ EVER feels like trying to prevent a subset of the population from going on a gleeful murder spree or the supreme court allowing the other nazis to make special armbands for our trans brothers and sisters.
What the ever loving fuck.
There is alarge percentage of the population that absolutely cannot handle change at all.
This is a byproduct of a strict upbringing by psychos who act like a 2000+ year old fiction novel is at all reality and the shit fuck mental health services we have (because that same fiction novel says you were created perfrct and are special and health problems are WEAK) and poor overall education (because smart people stop believing the 2000+ year old work of fiction is real).
Also a lot of toxic hyper masculinity that has festeredfor generations and is DESPERATELY trying to cling to a world where “might makes right” masculinity was the real source of strength and power (as foretold 2000+ years ago in a fiction novel).
Capitalism and its consequences
Just look at Lemmy itself. Just because it is left flavored, does not mean you can’t see some awful people on here.
We are the problem, we allowed this.
So sad there’s no lesson here.
Just dudes?
I’m struggling to understand what she is actually complaining about in those tweets.
She’s saying that we can’t be women bc it somehow erases the struggles of cis women, even though we face the exact same misogyny. She really wants to have it both ways where she rejects us as women, but still “respects” us because otherwise she just looks like a bigoted ghoul. Unfortunately for her, not wanting to be an awful piece of shit is not enough to prevent you from being one.
It sounds to me like she’s only just now figured out that trans people have feelings and is trying to retcon her bigotry into trans-inclusive victimhood? Like, nonono, guys, you don’t get what I’m saying, trans people have rights, of course, I’m just saying I do too! Right? It’s just that trans people, who I totally respect and always have, are trampling on my rights! I’m the victim here!
I mean, that’s a relatively old screenshot. Of anything it’s a lot softer than any of the more recent skreeds I’ve seen her going on.
Is she mental? Is this what being senile looks like?
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I love all trans people and all other people, unless they give me a reason not to love them. But most of all I love
shotsYOU!
The worst generalization: the one against me. You people can’t even understand that much?
“You people” lmfao
No, no, as a fellow
velociraper… human being, I tell you it’s ok to say you hate all men. Because it’s extremely easy to prove you are not an absolute POS and therefore be an exception to the rule. You just need to be a decent human being and poof you’re an exception to the rule of “I hate all men”. Because that rule is referred to the majority of assholes that roam around, not to every single man without exception.Edit: I love the amount of people angry at me because I said that the only thing a man has to do to not be in the “hated list” is to be a decent human being as if I were asking them to climb the fucking Everest barehanded.
Give me a damn break…
Here is why what you’re saying is problematic:
I tell you it’s ok to say you hate all black people. Because it’s extremely easy to prove you are not an absolute POS and therefore be an exception to the rule. You just need to be a decent human being and poof you’re an exception to the rule of “I hate all black people”. Because that rule is referred to the majority of assholes that roam around, not to every single black person without exception.
Edit: I love the amount of people angry at me because I said that the only thing a black person has to do to not be in the “hated list” is to be a decent human being as if I were asking them to climb the fucking Everest barehanded.
Give me a damn break…
Does this sound okay to you?
Hating people because of their gender is bigotry, and if you use “all” to mean “most” that is a misuse of language
You must be one of those getting offended when women pick the bear in the forest, huh?
There is real blowback to marginalized people with these shorthands, though: https://www.tumblr.com/luckyladylily/752119106260615168/so-a-few-months-ago-there-was-the-discourse-about.
In a similar manner, it’s long been a consideration within black communities the ways that black men get targeted in ways unique – though particular – from black women, for being both black and male, and how purportedly generalized anxieties about men will often get triggered with frequency towards black men and then lean on racism to ensure some sort of enactment to quell that anxiety.
Honestly, changing the saying to “I hate most men” is a really minor change and would cover for criticism from those asshole men. And it makes more sense for our usage.
Meh, easier to get mad at you and refuse to change because they can’t possibly be making a mistake
Exactly the same as when they say “all men are dangerous” instead of “all unknown men have the potential to be dangerous”
They are already refusing to change though. “I hate all men” clearly it’s really winning them over, and it just makes it easier to discredit us as misandrists.
Everything is becoming so polarized that we are losing nuance. If we ever want to actually change things for the better, we have to stop reaching for the easy slogans and bring the nuance back.
But then less men would self-identify as assholes in the responses.
Don’t worry, they will find a way to show us they are assholes. They always do.
Plenty of men will quickly agree that men suck. If they they don’t, they’re either extremely naivë, from a different culture where men being awful isn’t the norm, or they’re not an exception for good reason.
As a man, I’ve been mistreated by men, both while I was growing up and in adulthood. Nobody ever cared about my problems or trauma because when they look at me all they see is “Man = Privileged” and they don’t care about my problems, emotions, or well-being. Clearly they’ve never read bell hooks if they think that makes them a feminist.
It’s always the oppression olympics: “No, you can’t have any problems or trauma, because what about all these other people whose problems and trauma are worse.” This isn’t a fucking competition, dude. Patriarchy hurts men too, and it doesn’t justify misandry.
“Stick it to the man” means “the authorities and arbitrary structures of power,” not “some random dude down the street because he has no friends and that makes him an easy target.”
Are you responding to the wrong person? If you are just looking for a place to stick your point, then cool.
I agree that it sucks that awful people dismiss the problems of others for reasons as stupid as gender. Anyone who uses their own trauma or disadvantages to try to shutdown others talking about their own problems are also bad.
Also, if anything I’m also a victim of those mechanism of how patriarchy hurts men? So yeah. It’s not great.
And yet despite all of the things we seem to agree on, I still feel men suck and I think more men should be saying it.
It’s more accurate to say that patriarchal culture sucks rather than men in general.
…clever girl.
You must be a blast at parties. So hateful.
Is it difficult for you becoming an exception like I mentioned in my comment?
I’m deeply sorry for pointing out your prejudice.
No, no, it’s fine. I’m ok with people thinking I’m a prejudiced bitch because I think decent men are an exception and not the general rule.
Glad you make exceptions when you find “one of the good ones”
“You’re a credit to your gender!”
They’re right, I understand how women are victimized. That’s not an excuse to internalize bigotry and it is an issue you should work on.
This is not defending the men who do victimize women of which there are many, it’s a stance against generalizations and the inbuilt prejudices they normalize in culture.
I know this argument all too well because I’ve heard it used too many times by racists.
Look, I don’t have to work on making men become decent towards women.
As I’ve explained, it’s extremely easy to become an exception to the present rule yet you are getting concerned about me hating the whole male collective because I said that all you need to do to not be hated is simply being a decent human being.
Do you think it’s hard for the men collective to achieve the goal of being decent human beings and that’s why you are so concerned?
You don’t have to work on that, but you do have to work on yourself. What you said is an example of internalised misogyny, and it is part of the problem.
I’m very sorry for the actions of some men, but neither of us can control that. What we can control is how we react to it.
It’s not the fact that you’re saying men should change; it’s the fact that you’re generalising.
By saying that all men are evil, you’re letting individual men off the hook, and you’re perpetuating the very problem you claim to be fighting against.
No one should have to prove they’re an exception to a hateful statement.
I understand and validate your feelings, which is why I care so much about telling you about the misogyny you’ve internalised.
I don’t see you as a prejudiced bitch; I see someone who has been victimised and hurt, and who has turned that hurt into something that will harm you and other women.
I understand it’s exhausting, and I don’t mean to attack. I just want to see you heal. Don’t you think this has taken enough from you?
Apparently it’s difficult for you.
