• Retiredtoflorida@lemmy.world
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    In other news, the prisoners at Abu Ghraib were torturing themselves, the guards had nothing to do with it.

    Does anyone really think ice isn’t torturing these people to death?

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      Do you doubt that suicides are on the rise? I don’t at all and I’d argue that’s even worse than death from abuse or negligence.

      I know we’re comparing the lesser or two evils here but people choosing to take their own lives really stresses the direness of detention to me. They might get sent to another country. They may never get released. They are so hopeless, they’d rather die.

      The culprit is the same so I’m not shifting blame. I just completely believe that people are killing themselves. If I was in their situation, I might, too.

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        Do you doubt that suicides are on the rise?

        Nope. For reference, however, U.S. military personnel and defense contractors attempted to claim Abu Ghraib prisoners’ injuries were ‘self inflicted’. As in the prisoners were torturing themselves.

        I sincerely doubt these “suicides” are being truthfully represented.

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    AP has the wrong word in apostrophes on this headline. It should read: ICE detainees are dying by ‘suicide’ at an alarming rate.

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      Agreed, except in the US we (edit: usually) use quotation marks for that, unless the whole thing is already in quotation marks.

      ICE detainees are dying by “suicide” at an alarming rate.

      I’m aware many other places use apostrophes, but ICE is a US peacecrime.

      Tangential question, how many fingers do people use for “finger quotes” (‘finger quotes’) where you live?

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        Two, on just one hand. We’re too lazy to lift both hands to quote someone, so the other hand stays firmly planted in the pocket (speaking on behalf of millions of Norwegians, of course).

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        My understanding is that quotes are used to relay what someone said verbatim, and apostrophes are used to emphasize words, to quote them informally, or to express sarcasm. Even here in the US. But this differences have become fuzzy over time.

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          Hmmm… In the article, ‘alarming’ (as written in the headline) turns out to be a direct quote from Dr. Sanjay Basu. But as you say, fuzzy.

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        I’m aware many other places use apostrophes, but ICE is a US peacecrime.

        Which can be written about from other places. A better argument would be that AP is based in the US, yet they still use single quotation marks.

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    ICE detainees are dying by suicide at an ‘alarming’ rate, an AP investigation finds

    Ummm…

    ICE detainees are dying by “suicide” at an ‘alarming’ rate, an AP investigation finds

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      ICE “detainees” are dying by “suicide” at an “alarming” rate, and AP “investigation” finds.

      The whole thing is pretty bad

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    Wait, the ICE that’s filled with white supremacists are allowing detainees to commit suicide? I’m shocked. Now I suppose you’ll tell me that a vast majority of those that died are POC/minorities.

    /s