• elucubra@sopuli.xyz
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    2 days ago

    weight loss drugs? How about having a fucking decent diet. I mean, the whole “I need drugs to reach a healthy weight because I eat like shit” is really moronic.

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      This is a privileged viewpoint. Some people have problems losing weight because sugary foods are literally addicting(and in the US at least suffer is added to nearly everything). Some people experience what’s called “food noise”, in which their brain is constantly thinking about eating something, which can be a tremendous ongoing strain to block. Everyone is different, and just because some people can diet without going mad or breaking from the strain doesn’t mean it should be that way for everyone.

      Think about the weight loss drugs being less of an easy way to lose weight and more like it’s addressing the mental and physical aspect of weight loss. If you’ve got food noise and an unhealthy relationship with food, then even if you’re able to master your cravings, it takes an outsize amount of your concentration/spoons to handle. This can leave one deficient in other areas like maintaining their mental health, interpersonal relationships, hygiene, or any number of other things. It’s not a moral or personal failing to need help, dieting or otherwise.

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        2 days ago

        And that doesn’t even begin to touch the subject of food deserts. Many areas of the country, in the middle of dense cities, have absolutely no grocery stores for miles even if people want to be healthy and make food at home.

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          Ok. So the solution to food deserts is medicating people? That’s like saying that the solution to blown tires is more tire repair shops, instead of bettering roads.

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            You do understand that you can address an issue from multiple directions at once right? You aren’t forced to just work on things a single way at a time. Because otherwise your comment just makes it look like you can’t even comprehend doing more than one thing at a time to address a problem.

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        I’m a trained addiction recovery meeting facilitator. I’m conversant with addiction and it’s mechanisms. I have recovered from substance mismanagement. I have lost 40 Kg. I’m not a person with superhuman will. No one goes mad by dieting. It may be hard, but I hate to tell you, there is no law in the universe that says that you have a right to an easy life. That’s one of the misconceptions most Americans have.They believe that the constitution grants them the right to be happy. Nope. It grants you the right to pursue happiness.

        Weight loss medication doesn’t address the mental aspect, as you claim, only the physical aspect, and only while being on the drug. It’s a classic pharma dependency strategy.

        The whole thing about fat shaming is misguided. It’s absolutely true that being vicious against people with eating disorders/ignorance is cruel, bad. However this doesn’t mean that people who are obese because of eating habits should be coddled. They should be guided towards healthier approaches to food. The person is not the habit. The person should not be condemned, but the habit should. The fact that in the US health care is essentially reactive facilitates obesity. The concept that resources should be allotted to reactive and dependency ceating medication, as opposed to education and support, is absolutely misguided.

        In my country there is a lot less obesity, partly because the attitude towards food is saner, but also because health care is preventative. I have regular appointments with my registered nurse, who tracks my lifestyle habits, and is the point of contact with the health system.

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          It may be hard, but I hate to tell you, there is no law in the universe that says that you have a right to an easy life.

          there is also no law that says that the right choice should be the difficult one… especially needlessly difficult.

          humans, ALL humans are by nature lazy. and i know for myself from experience that most of the time i will not make the right choice if it involves struggle and sacrifice.

          i am very grateful for the glp1 medications and hope that the medical field can continue to find ways to make the right choice, the easy one.

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      This is such a short sighted view. Humans are designed to eat more than they need for very good evolutionary reasons, we’re just at the point now where you can do so for pennies. Obesity is on the rise everywhere as a result of this.

      There are factors outside “just eat better bro” at play here. Carbs are incredibly cheap these days and eating healthily is comparatively expensive. There’s a reason (several really) that obesity is higher among lower income folks. You couple that with “food desserts”, ready meals and lack of free time and it’s a terrible recipe.

      I eat well myself and I consider myself lucky to be able to do so. Just a little of putting yourself in the shoes of someone else and not assuming laziness would do you the world of good.

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        yes, overeating in abundance periods, to survive lean times is a defense mechanism. Fat is an energy reserve system, completely natural, but it’s not in modern times, where sugars are so prevalent. What you posit is partly true, but things as simple as eating healthier non fresh foods can be achieved. Eat a can of green beans instead of twinkies. Not ideal, but with proper food education, the food desert problem can be mitigated. Instead of eating Spam, eat frozen chicken, for example. Cheap and heaps healthier.