• boonhet@sopuli.xyz
      32·
      6 天前

      Yeah, we shot it from a helicopter…their meat tastes sad. But this one we shot from a helicopter…The last moment they have is running free. And then we kill him from the helicopter

      • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.todayEnglish
        164·
        6 天前

        Hot take incoming, I think hunting is largely ethical, and hotter take, pigs are invasive so shooting them from a helicopter isn’t all that terrible. Fawns would actually be grateful considering they are routinely eaten by hogs.

      • remon@ani.social
        5·
        6 天前

        Yeah, I’m sure getting chase by a giant noisy metal bird is not stressful at all …

  • UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.mlEnglish
    351·
    7 天前

    I hope when I die my corpse is cut up, fried in my own body fat, and fed to pigs.

    Fuck factory farms, things dont have to be this way. For this and many other wrongs in our world.

    • SupremeDonut@lemmy.ml
      93·
      7 天前

      Pretty much my stance on it. Things don’t have to be this way. They don’t have to stop existing in order to not be this way either. We can eat pork and not be cruel to the pigs we eat.

    • Hugucinogens@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      51·
      6 天前

      I hope when I die my corpse is cut up, fried in my own body fat, and fed to pigs.

      Wow, this is legitimately fucking metal. Yeah, I do hope that, damn, that’s cool AF

    • kablez@lemmy.world
      2·
      6 天前

      Same, but I wanna be secretly fed to my family like a reverse version of South Park’s Cartman and Scott Tenorman.

      Context: My family are cunts.

    • ryannathans@aussie.zone
      23·
      6 天前

      We don’t really have factory farms in Australia, but holy shit the consistent difference in quality between free range and regular pork MINCE from the same shop is insane

      • remon@ani.social
        71·
        6 天前

        The documentary “Dominion” is literally about factory farms in Australia.

      • AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com
        62·
        6 天前

        Here is a map of factory farms in Australia: https://www.farmtransparency.org/map

        Take this with a large grain of salt, the criteria of the locations on this map is they are locations know OR SUSPECTED to be engaging in animal cruelty or exploitation. And not all of these locations are in operation currently

        But we absolutely have a ton of factory farms unfortunately, this is why it’s important to shop as carefully as you’re able to.

        • ryannathans@aussie.zone
          2·
          6 天前

          That seems to be a map of all farms? How do you filter to factory farms

          Not even just farms, tour companies too?

          • AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com
            23·
            6 天前

            It is already filtered to factory farms. Although as I said, take that website with a huge grain of salt. Their criteria for what they add is pretty loose, as you’ve seen.

            My point was just that we definitely have factory farms Inghams for example operates over 300 farms across Australia and New Zealand

            • Passerby6497@lemmy.worldEnglish
              4·
              6 天前

              Your point is severely diminished when you have to tell someone to take your evidence with a grain of salt.

              • AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com
                1·
                5 天前

                well, to say there are no factory farms in Australia is absurd and they presented zero evidence of that. But you’re right

  • Bristlecone@lemmy.world
    31·
    7 天前

    I disagree. They are very likely the worst of the industries in seeing here. Not even in just one way either.

  • terwn43lp@lemmy.world
    4418·
    7 天前

    long-time vegan here, this argument is as old as time.

    is it ethical to kill? no.

    do humans need meat to survive? no.

    is animal agriculture equivalent to slavery? yes.

    if you eat meat, deep down inside you know you’re supporting: murder, rape, entrapment, torture, and slavery. that includes eggs and milk.

    bonus fun fact: pigs are smarter than dogs

        • KyuubiNoKitsune@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          73·
          6 天前

          Yeah, good luck with that. I guess you don’t understand how humans and humanity work. Without incentive, you can’t expect humanity to change anything, especially if the consequences don’t affect them directly.

          Theres also a difference between having a factory farm and having a normal more traditional farm, ignoring that is just deliberately being obtuse.

    • ryannathans@aussie.zone
      127·
      6 天前

      Why is it inherently unethical to kill and eat animals? Let’s say I raise some free range chickens on my land, consume their eggs and occasionally eat one. Why is this unethical?

      I’d argue it’s unethical to kill animals inhumanely or to force them to live so long they suffer like we do with many pets

      • lookingforanALFpolycule@lemmy.world
        196·
        6 天前

        Good question :)

        1. Most people imagine only female chickens which means the male chicks are killed soon after birth which is unethical

        2. Chickens eat their non fertilized eggs to recoup the nutrients it takes to lay them so stealing them has negative consequences for their health (eg fragile bones) causing which is unethical

        3. The idea itself that you can take something from someone else just because you are stronger or smarter and they can’t stop you is the mindset of an oppressor or a bully and is inherently unethical

        • axus@lemmy.ca
          33·
          6 天前

          The animals are also guilty of #3 , but two wrongs don’t make a right

          • lookingforanALFpolycule@lemmy.world
            72·
            6 天前

            Yea, what animals do is not considered ethical in plenty of cases. We wouldn’t kill someone else’s baby because “lions do infanticide too” right :p

        • ryannathans@aussie.zone
          611·
          6 天前
          1. has nothing to do with the ethics of killing
          2. again, the same (especially if they are kept in good nutrition, shells returned, etc.)
          3. they aren’t a person, and that would make all of nature existing unethical
          • zeezee@slrpnk.net
            135·
            6 天前

            they aren’t a person, and that would make all of nature existing unethical

            are you a person? ethics and morality are human concepts…

            arguing that eating meat isn’t unethical because it happens in “nature” is like arguing you should be allowed to rape people because ducks do it…

      • Fleur_@aussie.zone
        71·
        6 天前

        Exactly, I do just this with my dogs and these fucking militant vegans always be on my case.

    • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
      38·
      6 天前

      The argument is as old as time and yet yorie absolutely wrong about all of it.

      is it ethical to kill?

      Under many circumstances, yes it is.

      do humans need meat to survive

      Not all do, but approximately 1/3 humans have any one of half a dozen different conditions that make them unable to thrive on a vegan diet, even with the expensive supplements that price many working people out of veganism.

      Is animal agriculture equivalent to slavery?

      No, and you saying so is an insult to every enslaved human on Earth.

      if you eat meat, deep down inside you know you’re supporting: murder, rape, entrapment, torture, and slavery. that includes eggs and milk.

      Works cited: crackPipe.png

      And your salad has much more exploited human labor in it than my steak has exploited animal labor. Maybe work on ending the exploitation of your own species before trying to equate your fad diet with ethics?

      • Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        61·
        5 天前

        Just say that you cum in your panties a bit when you pay for the torture of sentient beings.

        And where the fuck did you read that 1/3 of humanity cant go vegan? I cant find a single source on it

        • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
          11·
          5 天前

          Just say that you cum in your panties a bit when you pay for the torture of sentient beings

          Just say you love huffing the smell of your own farts and that the malnutrition has left you with brain fog too severe to figure out how to operate a search engine.

        • DudleyMason@lemmy.ml
          12·
          5 天前

          Except for the humans with malabsorptive disorders, who can’t get enough protein from plant based foods, humans with Achlorhydria, who need more bioavailable nutrients than a plant based diet can provide, and people with any of several conditions affecting the liver or kidneys that prevent the absorption of several key vitamins from plant sources, and people with ARFID who can’t eat plant based foods.

          Most humans don’t need to eat meat, but the minority who do need to eat meat is a much larger minority than most vegoon evangelists care to admit to.

          • Fleur_@aussie.zone
            21·
            4 天前

            You don’t get it. I literally have the disease that makes me die if I don’t eat meat. Check your privilege.

        • kolmaskommentoija@sopuli.xyz
          44·
          6 天前

          Healthy humans, unfortunately.

          //Seems like at least someone reading this, has not experienced trying to digest stuff like legumes, without a large chunk of their intestines.

        • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl
          36·
          6 天前

          yeah I guess that specific one maybe, but the rest is still true, he is just stating oppinions as fact and that’s just not a good way to argue about anything.

          • Fleur_@aussie.zone
            74·
            6 天前

            Hey man if you’re gonna be a debate club stickler the least you could do is be accurate in your critique

      • ZMonster@lemmy.world
        1·
        6 天前

        Lol, no doubt you’re right. It just made me lol when I saw the image and immediately thought, “wtf did caplyta ever do?”

        • ZMonster@lemmy.world
          2·
          6 天前

          OMG 🤭 I needed your sense of humor so bad this morning. I was in a real pit and your wit has started something positive. I just want you to know how much I appreciated it. 🙏

        • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          21·
          6 天前

          There are also many effective alternatives to animal testing in the case of vivisection for medical and pharmaceutical purposes. This is good news, since animals have been proven time and again to be poor models for the study of human injury and disease. But if this is the case, you might ask, why are animals still used in medical and pharmaceutical research at all? One reason is momentum. The tradition of vivisection is deeply ingrained in this research such that status quo bias is a powerful factor in perpetuating it. Another reason is money. Researchers receive grant money based on the number of papers they publish in scientific literature, and it is both easier and faster to use animals as test subjects than it is to undertake human-based research. Finally, while the FDA has often failed to show that the results of animal tests can be extrapolated to humans, companies still use animals in testing in order to protect themselves in the case of a lawsuit. This means that unreliable animal tests are giving rise to unreliable medical and pharmaceutical results, which result in unreliable treatments and medications that are themselves excused by the legal system because of the unreliable animal tests underpinning them. It is altogether a vicious circle that could be eliminated with a more sensible approach to medical and pharmaceutical research that does not involve animals at all.

          https://yourveganfallacyis.com/en/we-need-to-test-on-animals

              • far_university1990@reddthat.com
                1·
                5 天前

                Only resource i found on page that actually talk about alternative, work (dr. hadwen trust site dead, vivisectioninformation blog from 2012 and almost all linked site dead), and not video is https://aavs.org/

                Alternative such as:

                • Use part of slaughterhouse animal (shift animal burden onto flesh farm industry) (BCOP, ICE)
                • Use method that still use animal testing but less (3T3, NHK, UDP, in vitro pyrogenicity)
                • Use in vitro (lab grown) cell membrane from human cell (Corrositex, EPISKINTM, EpiDermTM) only for skin test
                • Use different animal (TER, LLNA)
                • Use bacteria (Ames)

                Original text make seem like animal test not necessary, but cited source say nothing of that. Only Ames even vegan (if you not consider bacteria animal too).

                If post thing without understand, false information spread way faster because expect poster do due diligence.

                • mathemachristian [he/him]@lemmy.blahaj.zone
                  2·
                  4 天前

                  There alternatives are still harm reduction, I agree that linkrot is a real issue and that animal testing is rather neglected by most vegans. However the fact that there are alternatives to the way we do animal testing, that quite a few are due to regulatory restrictions and not necessary in the scientific sense is not false information.

                  I would also like to point out that this expectation of always having a well-studied understanding with sources at the ready seems to not be applied when carnists post stuff like “animal testing is necessary”, “animal ag’s impact on the climate is negligible” etc.

  • ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
    268·
    7 天前

    Fuck corporations. I buy my pigs from a local farmer and kill them myself. My coworkers complain but I tell them it’s much better when it’s fresh.

    • explodicle@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      103·
      6 天前

      There are people who are really like this, which makes it a lot less funny. Same reason you can’t satirize the American Right anymore.

      Like, the whole world is burning, and we really can’t get people to stop even the easiest things. Yeah the solutions should be systemic, but everyone’s against those solutions too.

      It’s like a dead baby joke, but way more dead babies and the setup is the punchline.