Abraham Lincoln didn’t free the slaves Slaves fought for their rights and freed themselves.
Stop giving that guy all the credit for signing the Emancipation Proclamation, especially since he ordered the biggest mass execution against indigenous people in history.
Trump is a convicted felon and should’ve been disqualified from the election.
I see the point of the graphic, but I think everyone in a position of power should be held accountable for soliciting sexual favor from underlings. That goes hundredfold when you are the president of the United States and she’s a twenty year old intern.
In the same vein,
- Obama “drone strike king” did way worse than wear a tan suit. He assassinated gadafi, and holds (held?) the record for most deportations with reports of immigrant children in cages.
- Biden had that whole rio grande fiasco where people were drowning everyday as he opened the asylum loophole which set T boy up for a win ( almost suspiciously efficiently, wouldn’t you say?)
Make no mistake, folks, the Two Party Mafia is corrupt all around.
Held accountable?
Her name has been a joke for decades.
She got dragged through the mud and they went after Bill for lying, not being a predator.
In what way would you call it a win for anything except hypocrisy?
The Senate didn’t impeach Bill because Hustler magazine siad they had a list of all the Senators who’d done the same thing.
This feels like you’re trying to accuse me of something, but if you don’t actually say it I can’t really speak to it.
I’m just pointing out that Monica was threated a million times worse by the ‘pure’ people than by Bill.
Seriously? Is this the hill you pick? “Other people were worse to than her boss who shoved his cock down her throat and also was the literal boss of the western world?”
Dude. Fuck you.
They were saying that Clinton wasn’t held accountable enough. They didn’t talk about anyone being worse than him.
I’m just pointing out that Monica was threated a million times worse by the ‘pure’ people than by Bill.
You know, it’s right there.
“In what way would you call it a win for anything except hypocrisy?”
The “it” being the Clinton Impeachment.
That’s from my original commnet and you didn’t answer it.
Explain in detail why she should be grateful for having her name smeared and being turned into a joke.
I think you two might be talking past each other.
vzqq never claimed Bill was held sufficiently accountable, or held accountable at all for that matter. They stated a belief that there should be accountability for that kind of thing, which you clearly agree with. That’s probably why they didn’t engage your comment. They never claimed anything was a win, so they didn’t see how your point applied. Which honestly, it kinda didn’t.
So when you brought up Monica being treated far worse than Bill, they read it as “the people who attacked Monica were worse than her sexual predator of a boss.” Stripped of the context you made it in, and given they already agreed Bill should have been held accountable, they assumed you must be contesting something else. Their interpretation of which was a stretch, their own shock at it probably should have tipped them off, but they were pretty clearly just confused by then.
Sorry for the diatribe. I just hate watching two people who agree argue over a misunderstanding, especially when the ethics they both hold are fundamentally sound.
I said no such thing.
Also, I’m going to block you now because you bore me.
Why are you arguing with him when you’re agreeing with him. Act normal, please.
Check out the You’re Wrong About on Monica Lewinsky. Even she admits the affair was between two consenting adults. The scandal was not that Clinton abused his power but that he committed adultery (which is legal in all fifty states). Republicans at the time were arguing a man who couldn’t keep marital commitments is not fit for office.
Obviously by the time of Trump, they didn’t care anymore.
Of all the (many, many) sex scandals in state and federal politics (and coming out of the religious right), The Lewensky affair was incredibly benign. If they have an R next to their name, though, no-one cares.
And then historical Presidents like Kennedy, FDR AND McKinley were far more scandalous.
The scandal was that he lied about his affair with Monica lewinski when he was under oath testifying as the dependant in a sexual harassment inquiry.
I found an infographic a number of years ago that listed the numbers of indictments & convictions by each presidential administration since Nixon. I think over 90% were Republicans.
Clinton bombed a medicine factory based on weak/nonexistent evidence it was making nerve gas.
Obama used drone strikes ten time more than Bush, to the point he felt comfortable making a joke about drone striking the Jonas Brothers.
I’m not trying to “both sides” this. The two sides are not equal. But this type of post, that tries to pretend one side has no scandals, only makes the other side stronger. People see things like this and dig their heels in. They (justifiably) criticize things like this for not being impartial, and dismiss the people posting them as untrustworthy/unreliable.
We shouldn’t be playing these games. If you want to take them down, steelman them, and show that even at their best, they’re worse.
Yeah, I still hold Obama accountable for the Disposition Matrix, escalating mass surveillance and not confronting the police state even after Ferguson.
But these things all empowered the right to abuse those same institutions even more. Obama presumed they wouldn’t be abused more extremely by Republicans, despite what we saw with George W. Bush bending norms.
And then, after Trump’s first term, Biden failed to dismantle any of those systems, leaving them in power for Trump 2.0
Hating anyone who has an ® after their name is nearly as bad as loving anyone who has an ® after their name. I’ve never heard Abraham Lincoln called a “sleaze” of all things. You’re going to lose most people on that one.
Especially when, by the standards of that time, Democrats were also generally responsible for slavery, the Civil War, and a century of segregation to follow.
You just can’t compare politics from 150 years ago to politics today.
But… my shrieking rage that all who came before me were literally Hitler! What will I do without it? Screaming at people online that they’re stupid and wrong and also literally Hitler if they don’t agree with my Righteous Rightness is all I have. :/
I mean, I think the world needs more people who are trying to be Righteously Right about things than ones who dgaf and just take what they want, even if the righteousness can be a bit exhausting sometimes
You think you are being wise and nuanced but you are excusing genocide.
Be better.
How the hell is this not sarcasm
Fuck ®, ©, and ™ !
But seriously, when you go that far back in time it’s important to make a distinction between “Republicans” and “conservatives.” Conservatives have always been terrible, but Republicans haven’t always been conservative.
Hating anyone who has an ® after their name is called paying attention.
FTFY
Abraham Lincoln was a genocidal racist piece of shit. He, together with almost every other US president in history, needs to be treated the same as trump or hitler. If you can’t accept that you have some reading to do. In particular you can check out what Lincoln wanted all the “freed” (how white-savior of him, btw) slaves to do, and about the biggest mass execution in the US history.
This is not limited to republicans. Democrat presidents are also almost universally genocidal war criminals. Maybe we can cut a tiny bit of slack for FDR, but even he put capitalist interests above those of workers and minorities.
Man, they were really right about lemmy.ml people.
I’ve seen two posts today that are just unhinged. Like I can’t imagine the comments being written as actual verbal conversation at a BBQ or something because it feels like I’m being yelled at for not owning a time machine.
Never noticed the ml people before. I partially agree with them but I don’t think that’d be enough to stop them from lumping me in with the others.
So then at the barbecue, I said to the American scum:
Maybe those innocent people should haul a guillotine down to DC and loudly complain to those responsible for this mess instead of pointing fingers at other countries.
Y’all get no sympathy from me. Take care of your fucking fascism problem. The second amendment is useful for more than shooting children in classrooms.
It was normal af.
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You all sound like freshmen who just had their first 101 level courses and are now experts on world history and rights and everything else, filled with righteous indignation and ready to scream at anyone who doesn’t instantly tell you how right and brilliant you are. It’s exhausting.
I’m just going to block you and the rest of the shriekers. You can tell me all about your great victories over things that happened centuries ago in a few decades when you grow up and calm down a bit.
Weird. I labeled you “tankie cunt” long ago. That simply makes no sense! /s
Fuck every President. If they didn’t cause poverty and inequality, they were courteous enough to ignore/allow it. I’m never convinced any act of humanitianism isn’t a grab for nearly free advertisement.
so everyone just sucks, then?
Unironically - yes. The slave owners that started this doomed hell aren’t special or different because their worldview predates modern fascism, and in some cases, they inspired it.
.ml: YEAH!
Fuck .ml too. I hate fake-communism as much as I hate fake-democracy.
.ml: aw, fuck
Abraham Lincoln didn’t free the slaves Slaves fought for their rights and freed themselves.
Lincoln is the most pro-black president in history and it’s not close. His personal prejudice and treatment of Natives are irrelevant to the fact that emaciation being a war goal was his decision and wasn’t inevitable. It’s easy to see how a lesser president (like Johnson) would’ve made peace with an intact slaver society.
If you want to argue who the formally enslaved have to thank for their emancipation, I’d argue that the Confederates are the proximate cause. It was the slavers who started the rebellion that forced the issue. It was the slavers fighting for slavery that conjured fatal opposition that didn’t exist before.
I don’t want to minimize the struggle enslaved people faced. But only a tiny number of enslaved or formally enslaved people even participated in the war. They certainly didn’t rise up and overthrow slavery.
GOP answer to everything: “let’s bomb people”
Ooh, Ooh, “Potatoe: Democrat”
Why Roosevelt? Is this part of the “Roosevelt only did those good things as a tactical move while serving big business” idea?
Is S&L an attempt at spelling SNL?
Savings and loans, 80s
I will do it simply, Fuck murika, fuck you all to let this dumb shitter be in charge twice!
Fuck all of you
They’re already making excuses for not voting against Trump or vote at all.
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Nice low-effort regurgitation of Fox News talking points already disregarded as being bad takes without offering any additional proof. Some of these probably have some mild value here, nor that they measure up to GOP levels of corruption, but “autopen”? Seriously?
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No one is watching your Nazi propaganda clips
Cool. Source your facts. I can say random bullshit that was on TV, too, and call it facts. The difference needed to be taken seriously is providing sources. That’s how intelligent discourse works.
- Normalized Nazis to the point that Nazis think they can publicly talk like Nazis and no one is allowed to point it out: Trump ®.
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This Steven Crowder bit isn’t working for you (him either). Nazis can eat shit.
Your refusal to provide proper sources already tells the whole story. All you have is a random out of context clip, and no substance. We all know you won’t accept any argument, any source or any evidence anyway, since you’re already too deep into this conspiracy bullshit. So may as well call you out as the crayon eating conspiracy fetishist and fascist enabler you are.
Sources
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Lol fucking uranium one, why not skip foreplay and just start telling us about hunter bidens laptop and obamas birth certificate? 🤣
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LMAO take your boomer garbage back to facebook
Of course you can, they’re capitalists. Vote for some real people in the next Presidential election, then. Like AOC / Fain.
AOC? The one that won a popularity contest and is a lack luster mouth piece for the elites… I’ll take slamming my dick in a car door.
Didnt she tank a huge deal with Amazon that would have benefited her district? Yeah the 2nd runner up for the word salad politician is a hard pass.
