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So much for the constitution
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You’d think with a title that says “California just passed a law”, that it would actually be about California passing a law. It still has to go through the senate and then get signed by the governor.
Edit: The bill was passed in the Assembly back in May. This is a nearly 3 month old article.
OP why are you posting a 3 month old article with no updated information or that needed context that this was in the past? There was a discussion then.
It’s almost like you are trying to upset people again for sport, because reddit broke your brain and you think internet points are important. Almost like that.
I think about this a lot.
Sometimes I learn about news that greatly affects my hobby but then notice it’s like a month old.
And I wonder - so I share it? Do I sit with it? Do others know about it?
Assuming positive intent, OP thought the former.
First time I’ve seen this.
3 months isn’t 3 years. First I heard of this
One of the most common uses for 3d printers is for cosplay props. I wonder if the lawmakers considered how this infringes on the rights of people trying to print prop guns from their favorite video games or anime?
They don’t even know what cosplays is lol
Yeah, sigh I know… It was facetious but an obvious argument I haven’t seen pushed where there is actually some money behind it.
They don’t care
Well it’s not like anyone in California needs lots of props.
they did not
I can’t wait for the EU to eagerly adopt this like they do for a lot of these dogshit US decisions.
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets and no one can afford healthcare or housing but yeah, lets make useless laws to try and regulate 3d printers…
Roaming the streets? They are sitting in the fucking white house.
Trump fucks kids. Never forget
I mean, it’s a little bit of a funny example when “but child porn” is often the argument for removing all digital freedom.
There’s pedophiles roaming the streets
That was oddly specific.
Two crimes can happen at once in different places
This isn’t going to do anything about crime.
Well, no. It’ll create a whole new class of crimes.
Then why did you bring other crimes up? Sorry. But you have no idea how you sound. You directly said “there are these crimes, why are we wasting laws on these other crimes” and wonder why I responded as I did.
You currently can not fully 3D print a gun
Even if you could, distinguishing a gun from everything else is impossible. This is more about people using 3D printing for right to repair
You don’t know it’s impossible. That’s just insane to think that recognition software can tell that a person’s seatbelt is on if that there is someone at their front door with a package or a bicycle means it’s likely possible.
It literally is impossible. The only thing going to a 3d printer is a series of commands to the the various stepper motors and heating elements what to do. It would have to be capable of reversing this code to reconstruct the object being printed. A printer is not going to have enough processing power to do this if it’s even possible at all.
The computer it’s connected to does
My point was their priorities are completely out of wack, and also that this law is useless and shows that they have no idea how 3d printers work so they are wasting time on this to do literally zero good. If the concern is around preventing crime, this is not the way to do it.
Once again. Two crimes can happen at the same time. Prioritizing it is the authorities job. Not yours.
That’s why I’m here commenting about it for free on the internet instead of being paid to prioritize things that actually matter over ineffective bullshit.
Except nobody is being prosecuted for this, in fact the only person that sits in prison, got moved to minimum security one and a pardon is being considered for her.
Senate just appointed the very person directly responsible for it to head the Department of Justice.
We are literally being run by pedophiles, or pedophile protectors at best and it couldn’t be any clearer that there are two justice systems.
When the UH CEO was killed with 3D printed gun I remember being puzzled why trump, trump jr, musk and other members of the Epstein class became vocal about this, to me it seemed like a random murder. Now I understand that to them it was significant because member of their class was killed, this is also why musk was wearing his son as armor, because they were genuinely scared that their class war was firing back.
Whataboutism at it’s finest. Two crimes can happen at the same time. Just because one crime “matters” and the others don’t according to you, doesn’t mean that they both shouldn’t be enforced or examined.
I’d love to know how they expect printer manufacturers to do this, given all they do is read gcode. Do the legislation makers even know what a slicer is?
I went to a CA committee hearing (and I got to meet Louis Rossmann in the process) and I guarantee you the people supporting this bill and the committee voting on it generally have no idea what the fuck they’re talking about.
Serious question: why do they feel like they are qualified to make decisions on it then? Like if I was in that position, I would defer to an expert committee or professional association.
What happens is they do defer to the expert. The expert is a plant by which ever lobbiest chose to sponsor the bill. I’m had correspondences with my government about fields I am intimately familiar with and their arguments about technical feasibility were given to them by their Big4 “expert”. The problem is I know the field well enough to understand their expert is simply giving the opinion they were paid to give and the technical feasibility of the proposals take a back seat to the political desire of the people pushing the proposal.
Someone’s “lobbying” them to make this decision.
Also Michael Blomberg has spent over $50M to push for this bill to pass.
Of course they know what a slicer is. Most of these people existed long before pre-cut loaves were sold at the stores.
If it ever take forms, it will be absolutely unenforceable with how many devices currently operates. Aside from a ban on open hardware (good luck with that), nothing will happen.
Unfortunately, being technically impossible to enforce is of little consequence. It just becomes a convenient law to pull out if they want to hammer you down and you happen to have a 3D printer that don’t have this built-in.
Absolutely fuckin not
California needs to start pushing laws to shut down hardware stores, department stores, shopping malls, and office supply stores since you can buy things in those places to also create makeshift weapons.
I have a mini mill in my garage. I makeb ghost firearms as a hobby.
I have a bit of experience with a mill, but even if I *didn’t * these are not hard skills to learn yourself. A couple hundred bucks for a mini mill on marketplace and a few hunted bucks for a blank and some tooling and anybody could be making ghost guns in their living room.
I had never heard of mini CNC mills.
Now I want one.
You can get a mini mill and do a CNC conversion, I know a few guys that have done just that. A few stepper motors and a little code gets you a long way.
Isn’t California the state where you need to be 18 just to by spray paint?
I think we are already headed in that direction
Many states have similar laws for things you can inhale to get high.
This what happens when a state is controlled by idiots. I wish we had opposition party that were not a bunch of boot licking freaks.
not just idiots. selfish fucks and idiots.
Idiots who don’t understand any industry other than public service, being useful idiots for the oligarchs that run the mega corps of the 5th largest economy in the world.
Good luck with that… 3D printers are not complicated and you could build one yourself if you wanted to.
Have a friend with one print you one.
The software might be complicated enough in the future that you would not be able to just make your own slicer with all the features, like we have with browsers now.
The first thing they need to add to their DRM thing is those flexible dragons that have taken over half the booths at a local comic con. That and The Rock’s head.
The dragon and Rock’s head is the Hello World of the 3D printer world.
I thought that was Benchy.
Why? They are great.
For a first print, yeah. This is more me bitching about the artist alley of all my local cons being filled with 3D printed garbage than it is an endorsement of terrible DRM practices.
No really what it is is it’s what people want it’s what people like it’s what people enjoy so of course they’re being made. You have to remember only a small percentage of people own 3D printers but a lot of people really like the stuff that’s made from 3D printers. So they’re not being marketed towards you they’re being marketed towards everybody else. And they sell really well.
You’re describing 3D kitsch, not 3D art
I never said 3d art. I said there is a place for these. They were created by artists and some are absolutely amazing.
This was a conversation about artist’s alley which is for, you know, art. Not kitsch slop. And no, the world really doesn’t have a place for more useless plastic garbage.
3d prints that aren’t even a person’s own design have no place being in a line up of artists
They’re like 3D printer 101.
This is like seeing baby’s first print and they’re trying to sell it.
The standards will not mandate perfect efficacy – they will allow for “an acceptably low level of evasion” against a bank of identified design files.
So they except this is basically an impossible task. Essentially they’re just going to check that the algorithm can detect the test examples, and then anything beyond that is an acceptably low level of evasion apparently.
They just want to destroy open source firmware. They hate freedom from corporate control, not guns.
In the same way you can buy all the stuff to make a bomb without ending up on a list, but if you do it the stupid way you’re going to get the SWAT team at your door.
The 3d printer firmware is bullshit outright IMO, but this seems like the most sober-minded attempt. NY’s law on the other hand is a fat lol
Anyone who was a serious threat is by definition not going to do it the stupid way anybody who gets swatted is an idiot and probably wasn’t a threat to begin with, except to themselves.
It’s already illegal to shoot people so why is it more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun?
I agree, yet people get caught. This makes simply authorizes that, which I’m not inherently against. All I’m saying is, of all the things in the world, this isn’t the absolute worst thing that could happen and at least it isn’t (currently) being used by that state as a pretext for even more surveillance.
It isn’t more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun; if anything it’s less illegal because you don’t need to lie on a form about your status to obtain a gun.
I think your arguing with what you think I’m saying instead if what I actually said. I believe we’re in agreement with different nuanced takes that affect that agreement. I agree this is dumb and a bad precedent that will likely be ineffective (just like virtually all other punitive preventative measures). I still think it could be worse.
TL; DR: this law to me feels more along the lines of “let’s stop giving away guns at candy shops” than “let’s completely fix everything all at once” It’s sober minded and an attempt at appeasing their constituency. I disagree with it, but it could be worse and probably won’t hurt.
Can I have 12 bottles of bleach please?
And some … as well as a map to …'s house, please?
Criminals have easy access to real guns, they won’t bother with printing plastic ones. A terrorist will just go to a place where they don’t monitor to print them.
In case anyone is wondering why something so idiotic: The destruction of 3D printing: Bloomberg is behind it - YouTube
Of course this is not something a rag like the register and a fraudulent “Cybersecurity reporter” Connor Jones would tell you, but instead trying to actively hide from you. Even thought the evidence is right there. They’d rather tell you some stupid story.
This is yet another mad plutocrat meddling in democracy and neoliberalism and pundits providing some nonsense explanation to distract people.
I guess we’re returning to reprap then. That’ll actually be good for innovation, I think.
In the short term i think people will just drive out of state, like they already do for actual guns. CA gun laws are aimed at the working class, thanks Reagan.
This is so stupid. This is written by people who don’t understand 3D printing. This will catch nothing but fake guns that don’t work because they were printed in one solid piece, it won’t catch all the little pieces that you assemble afterwards.
