Axon says cops are asking it to make its automatic license plate readers (ALPRs) look different from Flock cameras because Flock vandalism has become so widespread, according to comments Axon’s CEO made in a now deleted webinar.

The comments highlight how Axon is trying to take advantage of sustained opposition against Flock’s license plate cameras, with one law enforcement customer suggesting a camera redesign would “help with the optics while we batten down the hatches” as the backlash spreads.

As 404 Media has reported, some towns and cities are switching from Flock to Axon’s cameras after cops did lookups for ICE in Flock, tracked a woman who self-administered an abortion, and have repeatedly abused their access to stalk ex-spouses. ALPRs constantly scan the license plate, brand, model, and other identifying features of all vehicles that drive past the camera and then make this timestamped log of activity searchable by law enforcement without a warrant.

In an August 26 webinar that was hosted on Axon’s official Vimeo page called “From backlash to trust,” Axon Chief Customer Officer Mike Wagers took a question from the remote audience and asked, “is there any talk — and there has been talk — to redesign Outpost, our fixed ALPR camera, to not look exactly like a Flock camera?”

“We are looking at […] do we change the general shape,” Rick Smith, Axon’s CEO, replied. At another point in the webinar, Smith brought up Axon’s Lightpost product, which is an ALPR and AI-powered camera that attaches to an existing streetlight. “Frankly, we’ve had a lot of customers saying, hey, we’d like something that looks different because there is all this blowback. ​​It’s harder to vandalize because it’s up higher,” he said.

Smith also said, “We’ve had some people say they’d like to see us make just a different camera, because our ALPR camera looks like an ALPR camera.” Another idea Smith brought up, pending customer feedback, is to go in the other direction and make ALPRs more explicit, with signs showing where they are located and a description of the city’s ALPR policies.

*Edit: it just occurred to me what all these cameras are. Its the same as in the old days when the French British monarchies sationed troops on the street corner because of their fear: the British because they were cramping down on their colonies, and the French because they were scared of their own people. In fact, America’s debt problem closely resembles how it was leadinging up to and during the Meeting of the Estates General. There, handsom giveaways were given to the wealthy 2 estates at the expense of the common man’s estate. This was all while France was drowning in national debt (seem familiar?).

To combat the unrest, the monarchies stationed troops on the street corners. These cameras are the same thing from the Epstein class; tracking where the citizenry goes and who they are with. This doesn’t seem like it’ll end well.

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      Doesn’t matter, destroy them anyway.

      You going to be able to reach these?

      an ALPR and AI-powered camera that attaches to an existing streetlight. “Frankly, we’ve had a lot of customers saying, hey, we’d like something that looks different because there is all this blowback. ​​It’s harder to vandalize because it’s up higher

      Maybe a paintball gun? What about a crossbow?

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        Are we so sheltered that throwing rocks doesn’t even come to mind? Does anyone here know what David’s sling, from The David and Goliath story, looks like in action?

        Not that there isn’t morr advanced readily available projectile technology available

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          I’ve wanted to learn how to use a sling. And also a blow gun. I mean seriously, that’s gotta be untraceable

          Remember the guy who was killed by having a tiny pellet of some radioactive material embedded in his skin when a stranger bumped him with the tip of his umbrella, if what I read when I was very young correctly

          Nope, looked it up. I was close though!

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgi_Markov

          While at the bus stop, he reported feeling a slight sharp pain, as if from an insect bite or sting, on his right thigh. He reportedly saw a man picking up an umbrella off the ground behind him.[17]

          Research Medical Officer, found a tiny pellet in the tissue sample.[5]

          The pellet measured 1.70 millimetres (0.067 in) in diameter … Considering possible poisons, scientists hypothesised that the pellet might have contained ricin.[5]

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          It is really vitally important that you not go out and buy a green laser that shines between 490 and 570 nanometers and has more than a thousand mw of power, because something like that could be harmful to flock cameras if shone directly at them.

          So let me be clear. Do not do that. I can provide links to specific products to avoid if DMed.

          Other helpful info here: https://www.thebiglead.com/lasers-damage-flock-cameras-warning/

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            And while you’re not doing that, be sure to wear non-identifying clothes that covers the entire body and to leave all electronic devices at home.

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              Also be sure to not damage another person with them, please. Do not accidentally blind a stranger in your quest for vengeance. Eye protection needed for that power is a must

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        Tons of flock cameras are mounted similarly, Flock just provided the option of the freestanding pole mount to make them more flexible for less built up areas so lots have used those.

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        A pruning pull with a rope that lets you hit a taped on spray paint can should do the trick.

        Or an RC heli that does similar.

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        something that can knock it down or permanantly damage it, i dont think those 2 are going to be able to do it.

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          A crossbow bolt through a camera lense? In the Middle Ages, crossbows would be used against lots of armors. Maybe not against plate armor, but chainmail. Not sure how rugged ALPR cameras are compared to chainmail, but I’d imagine it would be less.

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            Modern crossbows are a bit terrifying. Ive been shooting all manner of bows most of my life, and there are crossbows that will fling a projectile well over 100m/s. I have to have a decent target for mine so I don’t shoot all the way through when practicing, I’m sure electronics and plastic won’t even slow a crossbow bolt down.

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      I really am hoping for a esp32 hack that we can just force a looped viseo feed into them. Destroying is cool. But disabling them without them knowing. Chef’s kiss.

      I heard their security is absolute garbage.

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        They’re getting better after all the hacks and blowback. Randomized MACs, disabling Bluetooth, transmitting only on activity to hide packet traffic, and using cell as a primary connection.

        Which means they’re scared.