Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia’s membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia.
Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t.
And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways.
They would be at peace,
Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why?
and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken.
Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.
Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia,
Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war.
refusing Russia’s membership in NATO
Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse.
and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO
By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want.
Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes
That’s not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though.
Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.
NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense.
Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis.
What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war.
Haha. “Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us”, “if we didn’t make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn’t be the war”. Really not pushing for war, yeah.
Also, cute how you talk about “Russian imperialism” while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world.
Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse.
Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn’t happen during talks.
Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South.
By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want.
Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that.
That’s not true.
Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action
You: none of that happened.
NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war.
This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO’s side.
Also, it’s weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world.
Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about “Russian propaganda”.
Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something “Russian propaganda” makes things untrue.
No, they haven’t.
Russia has nukes. Iran doesn’t.
They would be at peace, and the myth of their military might would still be unbroken.
Haha. Decades of NATO higher-ups saying that expanding towards Russia will cause war with Russia, refusing Russia’s membership in NATO, and admitting that the war was preventable by Ukraine not pushing to join NATO is somehow indicative of not pushing for war with Russia.
And? Sure, that does make NATO more cautious, but NATO has still been targeting civilians, has been carrying out strikes at nuclear power plants, has been committing war crimes against Russia, all without Russia using nukes. Going to also remind you that NATO also pushed for war with the USSR when the USSR did also have nukes, and did attack the USSR in various ways.
Haha. You trust your empire that has been constantly invading everywhere, doing genocides, carrying out terror attacks (including via DAESH) to be at peace in this case? Why?
Considering that Russia has been beating NATO in this conflict, it seems that the only myths that got broken were of NATO’s capabilities against near-peers.
Nations can join whichever alliance they wish, assuming said alliance lets them. What you’re describing here is a condemnation of Russian imperialism, not pushing for war.
Russia never applied for NATO membership, there was nothing to refuse.
By the same logic, world war 2 could have been prevented by just giving the Nazis whatever they want.
That’s not true. Russia has been doing those things to Ukraine constantly throughout the Ukraine war, though.
NATO isn’t a belligerent in this war. Your statement is nonsense.
Here, you claim that it was okay to join, for example, the German Axis.
Haha. “Us breaking these promises to Russia will cause Russia to go to war with us”, “if we didn’t make Ukraine join NATO, there wouldn’t be the war”. Really not pushing for war, yeah.
Also, cute how you talk about “Russian imperialism” while also supporting the gang of invaders of Iraq and Afghanistan (and more). Going to remind you that NATO is the most prolific invader in the world and is the primary force for imperialism in the world.
Formally? Sure. But NATO did let Russian leadership know that that wouldn’t happen during talks.
Either way, Russia joining NATO would have been bad for the rest of the world due to what NATO is - an imperialist alliance that acts to colonially subjugate the Global South.
Pfft. You are the one claiming that Russia should have given the nazis whatever they wanted instead of taking action against them. You are the one that says that, for example, joining the German Axis was not an act of aggression and that nobody should have taken action against that.
Ukraine: bombs buses with children, school dormitories, nuclear power plants, brazenly does things like operation SpiderWeb which perfidiously use civilians to carry out military action
You: none of that happened.
This is just laughable, especially considering the admittance that this war was completely preventable on NATO’s side.
Also, it’s weird how much you want to whitewash the most prolific invader in the world.
Kinda sad how deep russian propaganda is… But what do I expect of tankies anyway…
Weird how the people who just regurgitate what the most expensive propaganda machine in the world tells them, and who reliably believe things like Iraq having WMDs complain about “Russian propaganda”.
Also, it is such an amusing defensive reaction, as if calling something “Russian propaganda” makes things untrue.
You have not given me yet factual sources of your Russian propaganda you’re spreading.
As I said, I’m waiting for actual real sources by ideally historians that are really neutral…